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		By: Jim Nassium		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Miss Evil -
I accepted a job offer in another state which also required my relocation and to do so within a short, predefined timeframe. The employer paid, up front, a sign-on bonus to join the firm (not relocation related) and the offer letter included a contingency: &quot;Should you voluntarily separate your employment or be terminated for cause within 12 months, you will be obligated to repay this amount.&quot;

Due to unforeseen complications on my end, such as finding amicable / affordable / available residence in the new state, in tandem with selling / renting my current property (a prerequisite to obtaining a new loan), the employer&#039;s predefined relocation timeframe has expired. Note that I have been working remotely for this employer, since accepting the offer.

To clarify further, I am financially unable to sustain two properties, in two different states - even if merely renting. As a result, I clarified this fact, as well as my vested interest to remain on the team, and asked for more time. In other words, I have not voluntarily quit. My employer decided to terminate employment, considering the relocation-delinquency a &quot;voluntary separation&quot;, and is now asking for the signing bonus to be returned, regardless.

My questions are:

PART 1: Does my financial inability to execute the relocation, in the employer&#039;s timeline, constitute as an obligation to return the bonus? Again, I have not abandoned the opportunity ... only requesting more time.

PART 2: If I must return the funds, am I obligated to return even the taxable portion which I never received in the first place ... or the NET portion and let the employer seek a tax credit from IRS? I&#039;ve read HORRIBLE reviews online where employees were asked to pay the GROSS amount and that they would get a refund at tax return time but were ultimately denied any consideration by the IRS. 

Note that I did see your post at https://www.evilhrlady.org/2007/10/old-boss-switcharoo.html

Excerpt: “And make sure payroll calculates your repayment. Sign on bonuses have taxes withheld at a supplementary rate, which means a good chunk is taken out. You only have to repay the amount you actually received. So, your sign on bonus was $10,000. Your net check was $6500. You repay the $6500. Payroll will adjust your W2 to take care of all the tax implications.”

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No-go Relo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Miss Evil &#8211;<br />
I accepted a job offer in another state which also required my relocation and to do so within a short, predefined timeframe. The employer paid, up front, a sign-on bonus to join the firm (not relocation related) and the offer letter included a contingency: &#8220;Should you voluntarily separate your employment or be terminated for cause within 12 months, you will be obligated to repay this amount.&#8221;</p>
<p>Due to unforeseen complications on my end, such as finding amicable / affordable / available residence in the new state, in tandem with selling / renting my current property (a prerequisite to obtaining a new loan), the employer&#8217;s predefined relocation timeframe has expired. Note that I have been working remotely for this employer, since accepting the offer.</p>
<p>To clarify further, I am financially unable to sustain two properties, in two different states &#8211; even if merely renting. As a result, I clarified this fact, as well as my vested interest to remain on the team, and asked for more time. In other words, I have not voluntarily quit. My employer decided to terminate employment, considering the relocation-delinquency a &#8220;voluntary separation&#8221;, and is now asking for the signing bonus to be returned, regardless.</p>
<p>My questions are:</p>
<p>PART 1: Does my financial inability to execute the relocation, in the employer&#8217;s timeline, constitute as an obligation to return the bonus? Again, I have not abandoned the opportunity &#8230; only requesting more time.</p>
<p>PART 2: If I must return the funds, am I obligated to return even the taxable portion which I never received in the first place &#8230; or the NET portion and let the employer seek a tax credit from IRS? I&#8217;ve read HORRIBLE reviews online where employees were asked to pay the GROSS amount and that they would get a refund at tax return time but were ultimately denied any consideration by the IRS. </p>
<p>Note that I did see your post at <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2007/10/old-boss-switcharoo.html" rel="ugc">https://www.evilhrlady.org/2007/10/old-boss-switcharoo.html</a></p>
<p>Excerpt: “And make sure payroll calculates your repayment. Sign on bonuses have taxes withheld at a supplementary rate, which means a good chunk is taken out. You only have to repay the amount you actually received. So, your sign on bonus was $10,000. Your net check was $6500. You repay the $6500. Payroll will adjust your W2 to take care of all the tax implications.”</p>
<p>Signed &#8211;<br />
No-go Relo</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2007/10/old-boss-switcharoo.html#comment-1195</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[anonymous--go ahead and call the other company.  The worst thing that can happen is they won&#039;t offer you the job.  Smart people recognize that not every job turns out to be what it claims to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous&#8211;go ahead and call the other company.  The worst thing that can happen is they won&#8217;t offer you the job.  Smart people recognize that not every job turns out to be what it claims to be.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a late comment, but I&#039;ll ask anyway. Since I&#039;m in a similar situation (2 job offers; accepted one and ended up with a micromanager whom I hate) - what about that other job offer that was turned down? What are the ethics involved in going back to the other company and talking to them again? Major no-no? I guess I kind of feel like for a company, if an employee doesn&#039;t work out, they move on to the next person on the list. What about the employee whose position didn&#039;t work out?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a late comment, but I&#8217;ll ask anyway. Since I&#8217;m in a similar situation (2 job offers; accepted one and ended up with a micromanager whom I hate) &#8211; what about that other job offer that was turned down? What are the ethics involved in going back to the other company and talking to them again? Major no-no? I guess I kind of feel like for a company, if an employee doesn&#8217;t work out, they move on to the next person on the list. What about the employee whose position didn&#8217;t work out?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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