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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your advice to start doing anything in HR. But will there be then a possibility of career growth?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your advice to start doing anything in HR. But will there be then a possibility of career growth?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After graduating with a liberal arts degree, I also had a minor panic attack when it was time to step into the real world and get a job.  I started at the bottom with a good company, and when a slot became available in HR, I moved sideways just to get my foot in the HR door.  Since making the move, I have really wowed my manager with my ability to analyze problems and communicate with employees.  My point: you may have to start at the bottom, but if you are smart and willing to work hard, you&#039;ll rise to the top like cream...no matter what degree hanging on the wall says.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After graduating with a liberal arts degree, I also had a minor panic attack when it was time to step into the real world and get a job.  I started at the bottom with a good company, and when a slot became available in HR, I moved sideways just to get my foot in the HR door.  Since making the move, I have really wowed my manager with my ability to analyze problems and communicate with employees.  My point: you may have to start at the bottom, but if you are smart and willing to work hard, you&#8217;ll rise to the top like cream&#8230;no matter what degree hanging on the wall says.</p>
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		By: Wally Bock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wally Bock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrea makes an excellent point. To get that philosophy degree you had to develop a bit of critical thinking skill and you probably wrote a bunch. Both of those are highly desirable skills. Listen to the advice about temp agencies and all, but also spend some time figuring out what you got from your degree that makes you desirable in the marketplace.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea makes an excellent point. To get that philosophy degree you had to develop a bit of critical thinking skill and you probably wrote a bunch. Both of those are highly desirable skills. Listen to the advice about temp agencies and all, but also spend some time figuring out what you got from your degree that makes you desirable in the marketplace.</p>
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		By: jaded hr rep		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaded hr rep]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BA in Psych, and no designation or certification here.  Depending on what area of HR you want to get into, a certification may be very helpful (benefits, compensation, etc.).  For the others, I find hands-on experience is just as useful, if not irreplaceable (i.e., employee relations).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Every time I hear a new grad tell me they lack &quot;marketable skills&quot; I just want to swipe them upside the head (a little rough, I know).  But really-think bigger picture.  It&#039;s not whether a course gave you specific instructions or answers to  questions (like knowing a math formula).  Do you have good analytical, writing, and time management skills?  Did you do research, where you had to be creative and find your own answers to things?  Did you learn quickly?  Were you really pushed to think critically about a subject and develop your own perspective?  These are all very marketable skills, and can be applied to a broad range of jobs.  Yes, even-did you show up to class on time and submit your papers on time each week?  Did you like that, or was that painful?  All these play a part in what&#039;s the right job for you when you graduate, and I&#039;m still amazed that grads don&#039;t think this way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BA in Psych, and no designation or certification here.  Depending on what area of HR you want to get into, a certification may be very helpful (benefits, compensation, etc.).  For the others, I find hands-on experience is just as useful, if not irreplaceable (i.e., employee relations).  </p>
<p>Every time I hear a new grad tell me they lack &#8220;marketable skills&#8221; I just want to swipe them upside the head (a little rough, I know).  But really-think bigger picture.  It&#8217;s not whether a course gave you specific instructions or answers to  questions (like knowing a math formula).  Do you have good analytical, writing, and time management skills?  Did you do research, where you had to be creative and find your own answers to things?  Did you learn quickly?  Were you really pushed to think critically about a subject and develop your own perspective?  These are all very marketable skills, and can be applied to a broad range of jobs.  Yes, even-did you show up to class on time and submit your papers on time each week?  Did you like that, or was that painful?  All these play a part in what&#8217;s the right job for you when you graduate, and I&#8217;m still amazed that grads don&#8217;t think this way.</p>
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		By: HR Godess		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HR Godess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am one of the few HR professionals that don&#039;t have a degree. I do have my professional certification but none of the positions I&#039;ve held, required it. (That is unusual by the way)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You definitely will need to learn HR, especially employment laws. The most important part of HR (in my opinion) is the people skills. I have encountered many HR professionals in my 15 years that cannot stand helping employees in any fashion. I&#039;ve been told that my knack for working with people is uncommon and it&#039;s a shame that it&#039;s not more common. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;HR is all about (again, in my opinion) helping people feel good about where they work. The better you get at that, the better the company becomes. I&#039;m a generalist but I excel at my people skills. It really does come from inside you. I&#039;m not sure it can be learned, but it certainly is important! (in my opinion!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the few HR professionals that don&#8217;t have a degree. I do have my professional certification but none of the positions I&#8217;ve held, required it. (That is unusual by the way)</p>
<p>You definitely will need to learn HR, especially employment laws. The most important part of HR (in my opinion) is the people skills. I have encountered many HR professionals in my 15 years that cannot stand helping employees in any fashion. I&#8217;ve been told that my knack for working with people is uncommon and it&#8217;s a shame that it&#8217;s not more common. </p>
<p>HR is all about (again, in my opinion) helping people feel good about where they work. The better you get at that, the better the company becomes. I&#8217;m a generalist but I excel at my people skills. It really does come from inside you. I&#8217;m not sure it can be learned, but it certainly is important! (in my opinion!)</p>
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		By: class factotum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen to Andrea! Tech skills can be learned. The ability to analyze, do research, and write and speak well are harder to pick up OTJ. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My first job out of college was with an insurance company. They deliberately recruited liberal arts majors because they knew they could get a lot of really smart, good people cheap because other companies would overlook them. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are lots of opportunities out there for smart, hard-working people. Good luck!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Signed, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The English major]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to Andrea! Tech skills can be learned. The ability to analyze, do research, and write and speak well are harder to pick up OTJ. </p>
<p>My first job out of college was with an insurance company. They deliberately recruited liberal arts majors because they knew they could get a lot of really smart, good people cheap because other companies would overlook them. </p>
<p>There are lots of opportunities out there for smart, hard-working people. Good luck!</p>
<p>Signed, </p>
<p>The English major</p>
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		By: Darren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good response.  Andrea&#039;s comment is great too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The philosophy major needs to stop thinking that that that degree was a mistake and start looking at the benefits.  Very few people have jobs that have anything to do with what they majored in in college.  English and history are great examples too - there aren&#039;t many jobs that require someone to analyze Moby Dick or the Middle Ages.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What employers do want are people who can think, speak and write.  Any good liberal arts degree teaches those no matter what your major may be.  Focus on those skills and good luck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good response.  Andrea&#8217;s comment is great too.</p>
<p>The philosophy major needs to stop thinking that that that degree was a mistake and start looking at the benefits.  Very few people have jobs that have anything to do with what they majored in in college.  English and history are great examples too &#8211; there aren&#8217;t many jobs that require someone to analyze Moby Dick or the Middle Ages.</p>
<p>What employers do want are people who can think, speak and write.  Any good liberal arts degree teaches those no matter what your major may be.  Focus on those skills and good luck.</p>
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		By: HR Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HR Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re looking to make a career in Human Resources, I highly recommend taking a post-graduate diploma at college after a liberal arts degree, especially if it&#039;s HR your after.  I have a BA in Women&#039;s Studies (highly employable!) and four years ago I took an eight month program at college (called a post-grad diploma) which fulfilled my CHRP requirements..    Speaking as someone who has been through it, and as someone who has hired entry-level HR employees, my opinion is that HR education is essential for entry level these days.  And the CHRP is becoming more  and more important (depending on your seniority i.e. if you have 30 years experience, not having a CHRP won&#039;t hold you back).  &lt;br/&gt;Also, there are enough applicants vying for jobs that not having it puts you at a huge disadvantage, even if you are a referral.  Networking isn&#039;t a bad idea.  And if you just want to see what HR is like, temping is a great way to go.  Good luck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re looking to make a career in Human Resources, I highly recommend taking a post-graduate diploma at college after a liberal arts degree, especially if it&#8217;s HR your after.  I have a BA in Women&#8217;s Studies (highly employable!) and four years ago I took an eight month program at college (called a post-grad diploma) which fulfilled my CHRP requirements..    Speaking as someone who has been through it, and as someone who has hired entry-level HR employees, my opinion is that HR education is essential for entry level these days.  And the CHRP is becoming more  and more important (depending on your seniority i.e. if you have 30 years experience, not having a CHRP won&#8217;t hold you back).  <br />Also, there are enough applicants vying for jobs that not having it puts you at a huge disadvantage, even if you are a referral.  Networking isn&#8217;t a bad idea.  And if you just want to see what HR is like, temping is a great way to go.  Good luck!</p>
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		By: Andrea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect you haven&#039;t learned how to spin your degree properly, Undergraduate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also got a B.A. in Philosophy, and mostly in self defense I developed the elevator speech for why a Philosophy grad is good for almost any job.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I consider myself very employable with that degree, because almost every job I&#039;ve found interesting has been looking for someone with a variation of this list: &quot;critical thinking skills, problem solving skills, verbal and written communication skills, computer literacy and an ability to understand and communicate complicated ideas.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They may phrase it differently, and there&#039;s often specific things a particular job might require, but these are all fundamental skills. If you have those, you can get trained in the specifics, often faster than someone who doesn&#039;t have that list above.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your Philosophy degree should have given you those exact skills. As Evil pointed out, if you&#039;ve written a paper picking apart someone else&#039;s treatise, you&#039;ve worked on your analysis and written communication skills. Philosophy courses also tend to be the most demanding as far as developing critical thinking skills. The ability to sort through long and complicated arguments is a basic survival skill for most philos students.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes, Evil is right, you need to start at the bottom, and there will be lots you need to learn in order to be good at your job. But learning how to think is fundamental to all the other learning you will do. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So think about what skills you do have that might be valuable to employers. Like critical thinking. Like being able to follow a convoluted employee handbook (after Kant, can this be any worse?) and understand it well enough to explain it to someone else. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;ll have to contextualize it for whomever you&#039;re speaking with, since most people don&#039;t actually know what philosophy teaches. But you should have a substantial list of useful skills already. It&#039;s just a matter of naming and claiming them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ok, I promise not to post another rant on your blog for at least a month Evil. :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect you haven&#8217;t learned how to spin your degree properly, Undergraduate.</p>
<p>I also got a B.A. in Philosophy, and mostly in self defense I developed the elevator speech for why a Philosophy grad is good for almost any job.</p>
<p>I consider myself very employable with that degree, because almost every job I&#8217;ve found interesting has been looking for someone with a variation of this list: &#8220;critical thinking skills, problem solving skills, verbal and written communication skills, computer literacy and an ability to understand and communicate complicated ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>They may phrase it differently, and there&#8217;s often specific things a particular job might require, but these are all fundamental skills. If you have those, you can get trained in the specifics, often faster than someone who doesn&#8217;t have that list above.  </p>
<p>Your Philosophy degree should have given you those exact skills. As Evil pointed out, if you&#8217;ve written a paper picking apart someone else&#8217;s treatise, you&#8217;ve worked on your analysis and written communication skills. Philosophy courses also tend to be the most demanding as far as developing critical thinking skills. The ability to sort through long and complicated arguments is a basic survival skill for most philos students.</p>
<p>Yes, Evil is right, you need to start at the bottom, and there will be lots you need to learn in order to be good at your job. But learning how to think is fundamental to all the other learning you will do. </p>
<p>So think about what skills you do have that might be valuable to employers. Like critical thinking. Like being able to follow a convoluted employee handbook (after Kant, can this be any worse?) and understand it well enough to explain it to someone else. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have to contextualize it for whomever you&#8217;re speaking with, since most people don&#8217;t actually know what philosophy teaches. But you should have a substantial list of useful skills already. It&#8217;s just a matter of naming and claiming them.</p>
<p>Ok, I promise not to post another rant on your blog for at least a month Evil. 😀</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your local SHRM chapter would definitely have some resources!&lt;br/&gt;I took the PHR as a recent grad and it has served me extremly well to learn loads of HR information quickly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your local SHRM chapter would definitely have some resources!<br />I took the PHR as a recent grad and it has served me extremly well to learn loads of HR information quickly.</p>
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