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		By: TBT: Telecommuting Bosses &#124; Payroll Services		</title>
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		By: Jill		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2009/03/telecommuting-bosses.html#comment-38332</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know I&#039;m quite late to the party here, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents: it seems that in the previous 10 years, you and your former peer/new boss were treated like adults in the management or your day and lunch hours.  Therefore, it was indubitably a shock that she was even concerned about a lunch hour doctor&#039;s appointment, leaving alone the obvious immaturity displayed when she found out about it.  Not to harp on anyone with kids or telecommuters, but she treated you like one of her preschoolers, and it was probably a direct result of having 3 preschoolers around her all day without help or daycare.  I wonder if the reaction would have been different if she had her little kids in daycare.  Anyway, good for you for finding a new job where it appears your manager treats you like an adult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m quite late to the party here, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents: it seems that in the previous 10 years, you and your former peer/new boss were treated like adults in the management or your day and lunch hours.  Therefore, it was indubitably a shock that she was even concerned about a lunch hour doctor&#8217;s appointment, leaving alone the obvious immaturity displayed when she found out about it.  Not to harp on anyone with kids or telecommuters, but she treated you like one of her preschoolers, and it was probably a direct result of having 3 preschoolers around her all day without help or daycare.  I wonder if the reaction would have been different if she had her little kids in daycare.  Anyway, good for you for finding a new job where it appears your manager treats you like an adult.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daily Schlepper Update:  Boss in question fired 6/3/09.  Am now experiencing a bit of schedenfreude.  Ha ha.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daily Schlepper Update:  Boss in question fired 6/3/09.  Am now experiencing a bit of schedenfreude.  Ha ha.</p>
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		By: Terri		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have to use PTO time if I go to the doctor on my lunch hour and if I am not mistaken, exempt employees cannot dock by the hour but rather by 4 or 8 hour increments. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While I do feel that a &quot;Hey, I have a doctor&#039;s appt. at 1 and I may run a little longer than an hour&quot; could be called for, I do not feel that the backlash from the manager was acceptable. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am a firm believer in telecommuting and would love to work from home a couple days a week, but I learned quickly that it is quite difficult to effectively manage staff and/or a department when you aren&#039;t in the office.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have to use PTO time if I go to the doctor on my lunch hour and if I am not mistaken, exempt employees cannot dock by the hour but rather by 4 or 8 hour increments. </p>
<p>While I do feel that a &#8220;Hey, I have a doctor&#8217;s appt. at 1 and I may run a little longer than an hour&#8221; could be called for, I do not feel that the backlash from the manager was acceptable. </p>
<p>I am a firm believer in telecommuting and would love to work from home a couple days a week, but I learned quickly that it is quite difficult to effectively manage staff and/or a department when you aren&#8217;t in the office.</p>
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		By: another evil HR lady		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2009/03/telecommuting-bosses.html#comment-3728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[another evil HR lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There may be an FLSA exempt worker law at issue here; by demanding that an exempt worker must clock an hour and a half of PTO time in essence reduces that exempt worker to an hourly worker. Big problem legally. However I always do give my boss a heads up about appointments that take me away from my work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be an FLSA exempt worker law at issue here; by demanding that an exempt worker must clock an hour and a half of PTO time in essence reduces that exempt worker to an hourly worker. Big problem legally. However I always do give my boss a heads up about appointments that take me away from my work.</p>
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		By: workerbee		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2009/03/telecommuting-bosses.html#comment-3727</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An inexcusable amount of extra work is piled on those who work in the office from those who work from home. It&#039;s the reason I left my last job. I suppose the WFH person that I used to most often cover for couldn&#039;t cut the mustard when she had to show up to work in the office each day since I was no longer there to cover her ass -- nary a few short months after I left, she was fired. Just to set the record straight, she didn&#039;t have children.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An inexcusable amount of extra work is piled on those who work in the office from those who work from home. It&#8217;s the reason I left my last job. I suppose the WFH person that I used to most often cover for couldn&#8217;t cut the mustard when she had to show up to work in the office each day since I was no longer there to cover her ass &#8212; nary a few short months after I left, she was fired. Just to set the record straight, she didn&#8217;t have children.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The bottomline is how valuable you are to the management. If you are difficult to replace, the management will bend. In my previous job, I used to come into office at my own sweet time. My boss told me several times, I need to come &quot;a bit&quot; early. Every time I replied, &quot;I won&#039;t!&quot; Not that I couldn&#039;t, but I wouldn&#039;t. Yeah, just those two words while I lived just two blocks away from my work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottomline is how valuable you are to the management. If you are difficult to replace, the management will bend. In my previous job, I used to come into office at my own sweet time. My boss told me several times, I need to come &#8220;a bit&#8221; early. Every time I replied, &#8220;I won&#8217;t!&#8221; Not that I couldn&#8217;t, but I wouldn&#8217;t. Yeah, just those two words while I lived just two blocks away from my work.</p>
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		By: Kelly O		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The last two comments have been directed toward the reprimand on a conference call. What is missing from that assessment is the fact that it appears the first time the manager knew about this appointment was on that same conference call. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whether you are in or out of the office (and whether that office is at home or not) it&#039;s your responsibility to let your boss know. &quot;Hey, boss, I wanted to let you know I have a doctor&#039;s appointment today at 2:00, and planned to just take my lunch during that time. I might be 15 minutes or so late getting back, but will stay a little late tonight to make that up.&quot; (Granted, if you are part of this super-exclusive carpool that cannot replace you, I don&#039;t get how you&#039;re getting the extra 15 minutes in.) &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That simple communication gives your boss the opportunity to say &quot;okay, thanks for the heads up&quot; rather than getting blindsided during a conference call. No matter whether or not you were peers before, during that call she was your boss, and needs to know when you will be out of the office, particularly if it&#039;s deviating from your normal schedule. If your appointment was during your regular lunch hour, it might not be such a big deal - I would still mention it, because that&#039;s just me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know part of the things you said in your original message (and subsequent comments) was venting frustration, but if you came across with the same tone in your conversations with your manager, I can understand why she might be upset and take action.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is no hypocrisy in being a manager who works from home, with staff in an office (particularly when those staffers have options about whether or not they can also take advantage of the work from home option.) You can only make assumptions about what her day is like, however she was your manager and to a certain extent it&#039;s not your concern - she&#039;s in the position of management. However when you have a manager, it&#039;s important to keep that person in the loop whether you&#039;re in the same physical office, both working from home, or on the other side of the world. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(Think about this - how many people do you know who work from home and wind up sending emails at midnight? I know lots. How many of them are up at 4 in the morning checking email? I know lots. Working from home is not a cakewalk, and most people wind up working more hours, because it&#039;s always there.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I just rankle at the idea that a woman with small children working from home is somehow living a laid-back, luxurious lifestyle while you&#039;re slaving away, acting the martyr over your carpool and commute (because honestly, that&#039;s the impression I get.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last two comments have been directed toward the reprimand on a conference call. What is missing from that assessment is the fact that it appears the first time the manager knew about this appointment was on that same conference call. </p>
<p>Whether you are in or out of the office (and whether that office is at home or not) it&#8217;s your responsibility to let your boss know. &#8220;Hey, boss, I wanted to let you know I have a doctor&#8217;s appointment today at 2:00, and planned to just take my lunch during that time. I might be 15 minutes or so late getting back, but will stay a little late tonight to make that up.&#8221; (Granted, if you are part of this super-exclusive carpool that cannot replace you, I don&#8217;t get how you&#8217;re getting the extra 15 minutes in.) </p>
<p>That simple communication gives your boss the opportunity to say &#8220;okay, thanks for the heads up&#8221; rather than getting blindsided during a conference call. No matter whether or not you were peers before, during that call she was your boss, and needs to know when you will be out of the office, particularly if it&#8217;s deviating from your normal schedule. If your appointment was during your regular lunch hour, it might not be such a big deal &#8211; I would still mention it, because that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<p>I know part of the things you said in your original message (and subsequent comments) was venting frustration, but if you came across with the same tone in your conversations with your manager, I can understand why she might be upset and take action.</p>
<p>There is no hypocrisy in being a manager who works from home, with staff in an office (particularly when those staffers have options about whether or not they can also take advantage of the work from home option.) You can only make assumptions about what her day is like, however she was your manager and to a certain extent it&#8217;s not your concern &#8211; she&#8217;s in the position of management. However when you have a manager, it&#8217;s important to keep that person in the loop whether you&#8217;re in the same physical office, both working from home, or on the other side of the world. </p>
<p>(Think about this &#8211; how many people do you know who work from home and wind up sending emails at midnight? I know lots. How many of them are up at 4 in the morning checking email? I know lots. Working from home is not a cakewalk, and most people wind up working more hours, because it&#8217;s always there.)</p>
<p>I just rankle at the idea that a woman with small children working from home is somehow living a laid-back, luxurious lifestyle while you&#8217;re slaving away, acting the martyr over your carpool and commute (because honestly, that&#8217;s the impression I get.)</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree wholly with Charles. Reprimanding in front of a client (that&#039;s what it sounds like to me) was inappropriate and controlling. Sending the &quot;I&#039;m gonna show her who&#039;s boss&quot; message was inappropriate and controlling. Daily Schlep, I applaud you for leaving, especially in an environment in which many people would tell you to &quot;take it&quot; because of the economy. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have worked for my fair share of of what Dr. Bob Sutton from Stanford University calls &quot;A-holes&quot; in the workplace.  In fact, I still work for some and preparing to escape with other valuable colleagues who&#039;ve already left. Take it from me: your boss was on her way. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reality is most people don&#039;t know how to manage, lead, herd or whatever euphemism you want to call it. And really, deep down, most people don&#039;t WANT to lead. They think they do, but their actions tell something different.  First, managing isn&#039;t a stepping stone with pictures of your subordinates attached for ritual shoe-wiping. (That&#039;s called sociopathic behavior.) Nor is it some kind of Marquis de Sade-Kakfa-Orwellian prison in which you must tighten the screws on your workers just because you can. That&#039;s where micromanaging comes in.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It also isn&#039;t adbicating your responsibility for not leading appropriately when something goes WRONG. These types indulge in the &quot;let&#039;s see who I&#039;ll blame and flame&quot; documentation game rather than first asking staffers what happened (within reason) and pursuing a course of action together, as a team. Better yet, how about assessing your workers&#039; strengths and weaknesses so YOU can better manage the *team* you want to see? Oh, and making sure you don&#039;t fall into the trap of surrounding yourself with self-serving sycophants who are more interested in covering their tails than getting real work accomplished. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Last but not least, if worker camaraderie (not goofing off) unnerves you, and you&#039;re taking active steps to squash it, you shouldn&#039;t be managing.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Schlep, you did what you had to do. Don&#039;t let anyone here try to make you feel bad for it. Evil HR Lady, I like what you do here. I just hope that HR professionals in the new postmodern management landscape we&#039;re being forced into because of &quot;the smartest guys&quot; perfidiousness and arrogant ineptitude will be more empowered to see what really happens to good workers in bad situations. Many of us are demoralized by places that don&#039;t see us, even when we do speak out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholly with Charles. Reprimanding in front of a client (that&#8217;s what it sounds like to me) was inappropriate and controlling. Sending the &#8220;I&#8217;m gonna show her who&#8217;s boss&#8221; message was inappropriate and controlling. Daily Schlep, I applaud you for leaving, especially in an environment in which many people would tell you to &#8220;take it&#8221; because of the economy. </p>
<p>I have worked for my fair share of of what Dr. Bob Sutton from Stanford University calls &#8220;A-holes&#8221; in the workplace.  In fact, I still work for some and preparing to escape with other valuable colleagues who&#8217;ve already left. Take it from me: your boss was on her way. </p>
<p>The reality is most people don&#8217;t know how to manage, lead, herd or whatever euphemism you want to call it. And really, deep down, most people don&#8217;t WANT to lead. They think they do, but their actions tell something different.  First, managing isn&#8217;t a stepping stone with pictures of your subordinates attached for ritual shoe-wiping. (That&#8217;s called sociopathic behavior.) Nor is it some kind of Marquis de Sade-Kakfa-Orwellian prison in which you must tighten the screws on your workers just because you can. That&#8217;s where micromanaging comes in.</p>
<p>It also isn&#8217;t adbicating your responsibility for not leading appropriately when something goes WRONG. These types indulge in the &#8220;let&#8217;s see who I&#8217;ll blame and flame&#8221; documentation game rather than first asking staffers what happened (within reason) and pursuing a course of action together, as a team. Better yet, how about assessing your workers&#8217; strengths and weaknesses so YOU can better manage the *team* you want to see? Oh, and making sure you don&#8217;t fall into the trap of surrounding yourself with self-serving sycophants who are more interested in covering their tails than getting real work accomplished. </p>
<p>Last but not least, if worker camaraderie (not goofing off) unnerves you, and you&#8217;re taking active steps to squash it, you shouldn&#8217;t be managing.  </p>
<p>Schlep, you did what you had to do. Don&#8217;t let anyone here try to make you feel bad for it. Evil HR Lady, I like what you do here. I just hope that HR professionals in the new postmodern management landscape we&#8217;re being forced into because of &#8220;the smartest guys&#8221; perfidiousness and arrogant ineptitude will be more empowered to see what really happens to good workers in bad situations. Many of us are demoralized by places that don&#8217;t see us, even when we do speak out.</p>
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		By: Charles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, a lot of assumptions being made.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One thing is clear to me (if I can also make an assumption in that a &quot;con call&quot; means a conference call with others on it) - the manager reprimanded an employee &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;in front of others&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;; then proceeded to &quot;follow-up&quot; with two more reprimands.  This is beyond way over the top; especially doing so in front of others over a new, unannounced (or uncommunicated) policy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t see &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;reprimanding in front of others&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; as simply a mistake or over-reacting.  It is not only unprofessional, but downright &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;rude&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  Such behaviour would most likely not be tolerated by management if the tables were reversed, why does management tolerated it when a supervisor/manager behaves this poorly?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder (not quite assuming!) how many others left this organization after daily schlepper because of this person&#039;s unprofessional behaviour?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It reminds me of a non-profit organization (should I start making assumptions about non-profits now?) that I worked for in NYC where the one supervisor in her 12 years with the organization had 14 assistants all the while complaining that &quot;good help was hard to find.&quot;  When I questioned the HR manager about this situation the response was &quot;well, we all know that she has troubles, but she will just have to learn how to treat people.&quot;  What?! And let 14 people be put through her nonsense?! And if she hasn&#039;t learned how to be professional in 12 years when will she?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess there is some truth to the old saying that management always supports management.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a lot of assumptions being made.</p>
<p>One thing is clear to me (if I can also make an assumption in that a &#8220;con call&#8221; means a conference call with others on it) &#8211; the manager reprimanded an employee <b><i>in front of others</i></b>; then proceeded to &#8220;follow-up&#8221; with two more reprimands.  This is beyond way over the top; especially doing so in front of others over a new, unannounced (or uncommunicated) policy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see <b><i>reprimanding in front of others</i></b> as simply a mistake or over-reacting.  It is not only unprofessional, but downright <b><i>rude</i></b>.  Such behaviour would most likely not be tolerated by management if the tables were reversed, why does management tolerated it when a supervisor/manager behaves this poorly?</p>
<p>I wonder (not quite assuming!) how many others left this organization after daily schlepper because of this person&#8217;s unprofessional behaviour?</p>
<p>It reminds me of a non-profit organization (should I start making assumptions about non-profits now?) that I worked for in NYC where the one supervisor in her 12 years with the organization had 14 assistants all the while complaining that &#8220;good help was hard to find.&#8221;  When I questioned the HR manager about this situation the response was &#8220;well, we all know that she has troubles, but she will just have to learn how to treat people.&#8221;  What?! And let 14 people be put through her nonsense?! And if she hasn&#8217;t learned how to be professional in 12 years when will she?</p>
<p>I guess there is some truth to the old saying that management always supports management.</p>
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