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		By: Katy		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-30643</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 06:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14265&quot;&gt;Evil HR Lady&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14265">Evil HR Lady</a>.</p>
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		By: Tony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14413&quot;&gt;Nikki&lt;/a&gt;.

This is true. Even when I worked at a  major fortune 500 we have a policy that you could only recieve a 10% increase when you switch positions or get a promotion. Which is great if you are making  $100,000 and now get a $10,000 raise for not that much more work (maybe). But what about someone going from and administrative role making $30,000  to a analyst role where the incumbents are making $45,000 or more. Only give them a $3,000 raise? I am definately not a fan of this type policies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14413">Nikki</a>.</p>
<p>This is true. Even when I worked at a  major fortune 500 we have a policy that you could only recieve a 10% increase when you switch positions or get a promotion. Which is great if you are making  $100,000 and now get a $10,000 raise for not that much more work (maybe). But what about someone going from and administrative role making $30,000  to a analyst role where the incumbents are making $45,000 or more. Only give them a $3,000 raise? I am definately not a fan of this type policies.</p>
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		By: Nikki		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nikki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes at colleges/universities, you can only get so much of a percentage above what you currently make if you change departments/pay grades/non-exempt to exempt.
Find out if there is such a policy. Also, there may be a chance for a raise at mid-year/yearly review under such a policy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes at colleges/universities, you can only get so much of a percentage above what you currently make if you change departments/pay grades/non-exempt to exempt.<br />
Find out if there is such a policy. Also, there may be a chance for a raise at mid-year/yearly review under such a policy.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14297&quot;&gt;LTMG&lt;/a&gt;.

Unfortunately your experience is not unusual. Many HR people don&#039;t like to think in terms of hard numbers or try to put together an ROI.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14297">LTMG</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately your experience is not unusual. Many HR people don&#8217;t like to think in terms of hard numbers or try to put together an ROI.</p>
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		By: LTMG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LTMG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14264&quot;&gt;Evil HR Lady&lt;/a&gt;.

In the past I&#039;ve used salary survey data published by large HR consulting companies.  Unless there are at least 25 salary data points for a particular job code in a particular region (enough to estimate a normal distribution), I don&#039;t put so much faith in the data and must use a more qualitative approach in concert with HR input to determining a salary to offer.

Regarding tightfisted HR managers, I&#039;ve witnessed all sorts of highly bureaucratic approval procedures for discretionary benefits like educational reimbursement.  These procedures have many opportunities for telling an employee no.  As a manager, it maddens me when I&#039;m trying to take care of a valued employee - no, I&#039;m not generous with that assessment - and then I have to struggle with the HR gatekeepers.  At least with Finance, releasing funds has simpler rules [1] is the company profitable and [2] does the ROI meet minimum requirements?  Yes, getting past these wickets can be very complicated, too.  The difference with many HR gatekeepers is that their yes or no answer is rarely based on financial figures and is more based on vague principles that often seem to be a moving target and vary by the individual.  When I challenge their judgments and want to hear the backup facts and data, I get baffled responses and hear another no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14264">Evil HR Lady</a>.</p>
<p>In the past I&#8217;ve used salary survey data published by large HR consulting companies.  Unless there are at least 25 salary data points for a particular job code in a particular region (enough to estimate a normal distribution), I don&#8217;t put so much faith in the data and must use a more qualitative approach in concert with HR input to determining a salary to offer.</p>
<p>Regarding tightfisted HR managers, I&#8217;ve witnessed all sorts of highly bureaucratic approval procedures for discretionary benefits like educational reimbursement.  These procedures have many opportunities for telling an employee no.  As a manager, it maddens me when I&#8217;m trying to take care of a valued employee &#8211; no, I&#8217;m not generous with that assessment &#8211; and then I have to struggle with the HR gatekeepers.  At least with Finance, releasing funds has simpler rules [1] is the company profitable and [2] does the ROI meet minimum requirements?  Yes, getting past these wickets can be very complicated, too.  The difference with many HR gatekeepers is that their yes or no answer is rarely based on financial figures and is more based on vague principles that often seem to be a moving target and vary by the individual.  When I challenge their judgments and want to hear the backup facts and data, I get baffled responses and hear another no.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14245&quot;&gt;Trent&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly! They don&#039;t want to pay you one penny more than they have to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14245">Trent</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly! They don&#8217;t want to pay you one penny more than they have to.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14241&quot;&gt;LTMG&lt;/a&gt;.

I honestly believe most salary ranges are pulled out of hats. I&#039;ve filled out those compensation surveys and it&#039;s always pretty vague/

But, Finance, in my experience is always tighter with the money than HR.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/02/why-does-your-salary-offer-stink.html#comment-14241">LTMG</a>.</p>
<p>I honestly believe most salary ranges are pulled out of hats. I&#8217;ve filled out those compensation surveys and it&#8217;s always pretty vague/</p>
<p>But, Finance, in my experience is always tighter with the money than HR.</p>
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		By: Trent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Companies do realize that often people will accept offers for less than they initially want or expect. If you don&#039;t like the offer, then counter-offer and stick to your guns on what you know you&#039;re worth in the market. If they see your value, they will pay you. Still, they do want you for as little as they can get you for!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Companies do realize that often people will accept offers for less than they initially want or expect. If you don&#8217;t like the offer, then counter-offer and stick to your guns on what you know you&#8217;re worth in the market. If they see your value, they will pay you. Still, they do want you for as little as they can get you for!</p>
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		By: LTMG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LTMG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related to this situation is one in which the HR manager says with false contrition, &quot;Well, the salary range for this position is X.&quot; when he or she knows full well that the range is below market.  What happened?  The salary ranges haven&#039;t been updated for a few years.  This is one way the HR folks hide behind policy and specious data.   Better to dance around the truth than be honest and ethical with employees.  In my experience, HR professionals are tighter with the company&#039;s money than the CEO or the Finance staff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related to this situation is one in which the HR manager says with false contrition, &#8220;Well, the salary range for this position is X.&#8221; when he or she knows full well that the range is below market.  What happened?  The salary ranges haven&#8217;t been updated for a few years.  This is one way the HR folks hide behind policy and specious data.   Better to dance around the truth than be honest and ethical with employees.  In my experience, HR professionals are tighter with the company&#8217;s money than the CEO or the Finance staff.</p>
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