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		By: Aggie Sez		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-57673</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aggie Sez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this thoughtful post. I&#039;m polyamorous and out about it to everyone -- have been for over a decade. I&#039;m also been self-employed for a long time and am very established in my career, so I don&#039;t need to worry about getting fired for being poly. And as far as I know, I haven&#039;t lost any clients over it. I certainly have not had any problem finding enough interesting and well-paying work, so being out as poly doesn&#039;t seem to have hurt me professionally. And anyone who wouldn&#039;t work with me because it&#039;s pretty easy to find out I&#039;m poly, and because I don&#039;t lie about it when asked, well I wouldn&#039;t want to work for them anyway.

I was sad to read your advice about being &quot;discreet&quot; -- that is, trying to be closeted. I understand in many cases that may be a realistic approach if you have specific concerns about losing a job or sacrificing career advancement. But it&#039;s important to realize that the closet -- including the poly closet -- is a very stressful and vulnerable place to live.

Poly people who are closeted at work or elsewhere have to pretend that all or some of their lovers and partners either don&#039;t exist, or &quot;demote&quot; them to &quot;just friend&quot; status in conversations and social settings. That means: You have to treat the people you claim to love, and may be quite committed to, like you&#039;re ashamed of them. This is poisonous to any relationship.

Meanwhile, people who are in socially-conforming ostensibly monogamous relationships are free to mention their partner, have their photos on their desk, bring them to work-related social occasions, and even be celebrated by coworkers on occasions such as engagements or wedding anniversaries.

Which is just salt in the wounds of closeted people in polyamorous or otherwise honest, ethical nonmonogamous relationships.

Even worse is knowing that many of those ostensibly monogamous coworkers are in fact nonmonogamous, and dishonest about it (cheating) -- but that rarely affects their employment status or career opportunities. In other words, dishonesty to the people who trust you the most is tolerated (or at least usually not punished) in the workplace -- but honest, ethical behavior in nontraditional relationships is punishable. 

And then there&#039;s the issue that whenever more people in a marginalized community/identity are &quot;out&quot; -- that is, they do not conceal who they are -- that tends to shift social norms to the point that those groups face less risk of discrimination or ostracizing. In other words, when more people are out, everyone in that marginalized group becomes a little safer in society and at work. But so many people choose the closet because they don&#039;t feel safe -- even though that hurts them, the people they love, and their community.

Worst of all, when you&#039;re attempting to be closeted, you can still be outed against your will. That&#039;s the failure point in your advice to be discreet. One of the best ways to protect yourself against being outed is to out yourself and take control of the situation. But your advice puts poly people in a vulnerable position and leaves them there.

Isn&#039;t there a better solution?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this thoughtful post. I&#8217;m polyamorous and out about it to everyone &#8212; have been for over a decade. I&#8217;m also been self-employed for a long time and am very established in my career, so I don&#8217;t need to worry about getting fired for being poly. And as far as I know, I haven&#8217;t lost any clients over it. I certainly have not had any problem finding enough interesting and well-paying work, so being out as poly doesn&#8217;t seem to have hurt me professionally. And anyone who wouldn&#8217;t work with me because it&#8217;s pretty easy to find out I&#8217;m poly, and because I don&#8217;t lie about it when asked, well I wouldn&#8217;t want to work for them anyway.</p>
<p>I was sad to read your advice about being &#8220;discreet&#8221; &#8212; that is, trying to be closeted. I understand in many cases that may be a realistic approach if you have specific concerns about losing a job or sacrificing career advancement. But it&#8217;s important to realize that the closet &#8212; including the poly closet &#8212; is a very stressful and vulnerable place to live.</p>
<p>Poly people who are closeted at work or elsewhere have to pretend that all or some of their lovers and partners either don&#8217;t exist, or &#8220;demote&#8221; them to &#8220;just friend&#8221; status in conversations and social settings. That means: You have to treat the people you claim to love, and may be quite committed to, like you&#8217;re ashamed of them. This is poisonous to any relationship.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, people who are in socially-conforming ostensibly monogamous relationships are free to mention their partner, have their photos on their desk, bring them to work-related social occasions, and even be celebrated by coworkers on occasions such as engagements or wedding anniversaries.</p>
<p>Which is just salt in the wounds of closeted people in polyamorous or otherwise honest, ethical nonmonogamous relationships.</p>
<p>Even worse is knowing that many of those ostensibly monogamous coworkers are in fact nonmonogamous, and dishonest about it (cheating) &#8212; but that rarely affects their employment status or career opportunities. In other words, dishonesty to the people who trust you the most is tolerated (or at least usually not punished) in the workplace &#8212; but honest, ethical behavior in nontraditional relationships is punishable. </p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the issue that whenever more people in a marginalized community/identity are &#8220;out&#8221; &#8212; that is, they do not conceal who they are &#8212; that tends to shift social norms to the point that those groups face less risk of discrimination or ostracizing. In other words, when more people are out, everyone in that marginalized group becomes a little safer in society and at work. But so many people choose the closet because they don&#8217;t feel safe &#8212; even though that hurts them, the people they love, and their community.</p>
<p>Worst of all, when you&#8217;re attempting to be closeted, you can still be outed against your will. That&#8217;s the failure point in your advice to be discreet. One of the best ways to protect yourself against being outed is to out yourself and take control of the situation. But your advice puts poly people in a vulnerable position and leaves them there.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there a better solution?</p>
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		By: Nicholas MOSES		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicholas MOSES]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;While it’s not likely to result in a firing, it’s also not likely to garner a promotion.&quot;

There is something of which everyone should be acutely aware regarding ANY so-called &quot;alternative lifestyle,&quot; be it polyamory, homosexuality, bestiality or WHATEVER. Here it is:

Your personal conduct ANYWHERE ultimately spills onto your social image, regardless of how &quot;private&quot; you think your affairs are. (One incident may or may not make much of a difference, but a lifestyle choice will.) Your social image WILL affect whom you are able to network with. And in a time and economy in which the average lifespan of a corporation is something like 15 years, people change companies every few years and layoffs are rampant, networking is an absolute must in all but the most specialized professions in the work force.

One can whine about &quot;sexism,&quot; &quot;homophobia&quot; or general &quot;bigotry&quot; until the cows come home, but tough luck. The fact is that there are still - and are likely to remain for a long time - powerful industries in which the power players are nearly all married men who look down on singles or on adulterous spouses. You might chalk that up to chauvinism, but from their point of view, such people would not fit into the company culture. If their first contact with you is in a job interview, that is one thing, sure, but if you are never called in for an interview it will be almost impossible to prove the reason for which your CV was tossed out.

The point is this: when you are not the one holding the cards, you need to understand the people who are. You may do what you like on your own time - it is your life, after all - but EVEN IF your proclivities and behavior fall under some sort of protected category, you should never assume that your personal and professional images and lives can be so cleanly divided as not to affect one another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While it’s not likely to result in a firing, it’s also not likely to garner a promotion.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is something of which everyone should be acutely aware regarding ANY so-called &#8220;alternative lifestyle,&#8221; be it polyamory, homosexuality, bestiality or WHATEVER. Here it is:</p>
<p>Your personal conduct ANYWHERE ultimately spills onto your social image, regardless of how &#8220;private&#8221; you think your affairs are. (One incident may or may not make much of a difference, but a lifestyle choice will.) Your social image WILL affect whom you are able to network with. And in a time and economy in which the average lifespan of a corporation is something like 15 years, people change companies every few years and layoffs are rampant, networking is an absolute must in all but the most specialized professions in the work force.</p>
<p>One can whine about &#8220;sexism,&#8221; &#8220;homophobia&#8221; or general &#8220;bigotry&#8221; until the cows come home, but tough luck. The fact is that there are still &#8211; and are likely to remain for a long time &#8211; powerful industries in which the power players are nearly all married men who look down on singles or on adulterous spouses. You might chalk that up to chauvinism, but from their point of view, such people would not fit into the company culture. If their first contact with you is in a job interview, that is one thing, sure, but if you are never called in for an interview it will be almost impossible to prove the reason for which your CV was tossed out.</p>
<p>The point is this: when you are not the one holding the cards, you need to understand the people who are. You may do what you like on your own time &#8211; it is your life, after all &#8211; but EVEN IF your proclivities and behavior fall under some sort of protected category, you should never assume that your personal and professional images and lives can be so cleanly divided as not to affect one another.</p>
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		By: Another Evil HR Director		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53908</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Evil HR Director]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The intimate details of one&#039;s personal life, especially one&#039;s sex life, do not belong in the workplace.  So many people simply don&#039;t understand this.  The three &quot;taboo&quot; subjects?  Sex, religion and politics.  If you don&#039;t discuss them, you won&#039;t encounter conflict revolving around those topics.  Pretty simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The intimate details of one&#8217;s personal life, especially one&#8217;s sex life, do not belong in the workplace.  So many people simply don&#8217;t understand this.  The three &#8220;taboo&#8221; subjects?  Sex, religion and politics.  If you don&#8217;t discuss them, you won&#8217;t encounter conflict revolving around those topics.  Pretty simple.</p>
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		By: Melissa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would say be discreet and especially in this situation. I have learned to keep everything to a minimun in a working environment. There are too many different types of people in the workplace to possibly cause some kind of conflict because of different beliefs and interests. This particular situation is a huge red flag for someone to come and knock down, one way or the other. No reason to get other people involved in your lifestyle!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say be discreet and especially in this situation. I have learned to keep everything to a minimun in a working environment. There are too many different types of people in the workplace to possibly cause some kind of conflict because of different beliefs and interests. This particular situation is a huge red flag for someone to come and knock down, one way or the other. No reason to get other people involved in your lifestyle!</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53875</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53865&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/a&gt;.

Good point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53865">Patty</a>.</p>
<p>Good point.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53864&quot;&gt;Savvy Working Gal&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, it&#039;s not a career enhancing activity. Plus, she sounds like she was incapable of keeping her private life out of the office.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53864">Savvy Working Gal</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s not a career enhancing activity. Plus, she sounds like she was incapable of keeping her private life out of the office.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53873</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53863&quot;&gt;Jeff M&lt;/a&gt;.

My mom is awesome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53863">Jeff M</a>.</p>
<p>My mom is awesome.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53862&quot;&gt;Sully&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, I don&#039;t think any non-religious companies want to touch that with a 10 foot pole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2012/12/im-polyamorous-can-this-hurt-my-job.html#comment-53862">Sully</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t think any non-religious companies want to touch that with a 10 foot pole.</p>
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		By: Patty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say being discreet is the best way to go, in particular since your main relationship also works for the company and may have &quot;friends&quot; who seek to &quot;protect&quot; him from you -- because they don&#039;t understand your relationship..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say being discreet is the best way to go, in particular since your main relationship also works for the company and may have &#8220;friends&#8221; who seek to &#8220;protect&#8221; him from you &#8212; because they don&#8217;t understand your relationship..</p>
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		By: Savvy Working Gal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Savvy Working Gal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to work with a woman who had three different boyfriends.  One of them worked at our company, but in a different department.  They each had one day a week as their “date night.” On her birthday and Valentine’s Day she would get three separate flower deliveries. Some co-workers/management thought her situation was humorous, some didn’t care and others down right despised her.  I think those who were in the dislike camp were around when she started dating the guy from our company who had been married to someone else at the time. Eventually (after 10 years) she left the company because her career wasn’t going anywhere.  Apparently, management who were mostly in the amused camp weren’t amused enough to promote her.  If she wouldn’t have told us about her other boyfriends and if they wouldn’t have all sent her flowers on the same day we would never have known or cared.  Oh and most annoying of all they called her every day, usually at the same time, and we had to take messages or track her down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work with a woman who had three different boyfriends.  One of them worked at our company, but in a different department.  They each had one day a week as their “date night.” On her birthday and Valentine’s Day she would get three separate flower deliveries. Some co-workers/management thought her situation was humorous, some didn’t care and others down right despised her.  I think those who were in the dislike camp were around when she started dating the guy from our company who had been married to someone else at the time. Eventually (after 10 years) she left the company because her career wasn’t going anywhere.  Apparently, management who were mostly in the amused camp weren’t amused enough to promote her.  If she wouldn’t have told us about her other boyfriends and if they wouldn’t have all sent her flowers on the same day we would never have known or cared.  Oh and most annoying of all they called her every day, usually at the same time, and we had to take messages or track her down.</p>
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