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		By: Ewa Lewandowska		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ewa Lewandowska]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2015 11:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about bringing up the topic camouflaged as &quot;improving the culture&quot;? Perhaps suggesting better task tracking, transparency in responsibilities and improved team communication would make your successes clearer to be seen by others?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about bringing up the topic camouflaged as &#8220;improving the culture&#8221;? Perhaps suggesting better task tracking, transparency in responsibilities and improved team communication would make your successes clearer to be seen by others?</p>
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		By: Jennifer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2014/12/your-supervisor-doesnt-have-to-stop-your-mean-co-worker.html#comment-204360&quot;&gt;Jelly Bean&lt;/a&gt;.

&#062; I have to disagree with the part about retraining a person. That is work for a professional therapist.

Captain Awkward tells us that you can&#039;t change how a person acts, but you can change how they act *around you*. And I suspect that&#039;s what was meant by &quot;retraining&quot;. &#039;Cos honestly, I don&#039;t want to try to fix the deeper problems of someone who isn&#039;t my child or spouse, but I certainly want them to let me alone to do my work. Which means I need to teach (&quot;train&quot;) them that their methods won&#039;t work with me. And if I&#039;ve accidentally let someone establish a pattern that I need to break, then I&#039;ll be re-training them.

Think of it more like professional training, maybe?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2014/12/your-supervisor-doesnt-have-to-stop-your-mean-co-worker.html#comment-204360">Jelly Bean</a>.</p>
<p>&gt; I have to disagree with the part about retraining a person. That is work for a professional therapist.</p>
<p>Captain Awkward tells us that you can&#8217;t change how a person acts, but you can change how they act *around you*. And I suspect that&#8217;s what was meant by &#8220;retraining&#8221;. &#8216;Cos honestly, I don&#8217;t want to try to fix the deeper problems of someone who isn&#8217;t my child or spouse, but I certainly want them to let me alone to do my work. Which means I need to teach (&#8220;train&#8221;) them that their methods won&#8217;t work with me. And if I&#8217;ve accidentally let someone establish a pattern that I need to break, then I&#8217;ll be re-training them.</p>
<p>Think of it more like professional training, maybe?</p>
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		By: Some guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Years ago, I had an overnight supermarket job.  Store was empty, and the place was full of loners, some of which were surly as heck.  Although most of the guys were fine to me when I was the new guy, I had to deal with one jerk.  After a couple weeks of dirty looks, harassment, etc, from this (non-supervisory) guy who was basically just busting my chops to test me, I verbally ripped him a new butthole in front of a couple other guys.  He shut right up, and the problem was solved.  

Mind you, this workplace was like the Wild West.  Supervisor usually meandered away and left us alone most of the shift, and no one was in the store (after hours) ever.   Trust me, there was no sensitivity training, HR niceties, and most of the time, it was raucous and fun.  More than anything else, it was a bunch of angry loners just trying to do their jobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, I had an overnight supermarket job.  Store was empty, and the place was full of loners, some of which were surly as heck.  Although most of the guys were fine to me when I was the new guy, I had to deal with one jerk.  After a couple weeks of dirty looks, harassment, etc, from this (non-supervisory) guy who was basically just busting my chops to test me, I verbally ripped him a new butthole in front of a couple other guys.  He shut right up, and the problem was solved.  </p>
<p>Mind you, this workplace was like the Wild West.  Supervisor usually meandered away and left us alone most of the shift, and no one was in the store (after hours) ever.   Trust me, there was no sensitivity training, HR niceties, and most of the time, it was raucous and fun.  More than anything else, it was a bunch of angry loners just trying to do their jobs.</p>
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		By: Jelly Bean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jelly Bean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to disagree with the part about retraining a person.  That is work for a professional therapist.  What instead can be done is let them know YOU can&#039;t be pushed around so they find someone weaker to go after.  Unless of course this person is your boss.  Then there is NOTHING you can do.  These are personality issues WITHIN the individual, NOT work issues between two people--and it&#039;s fruitless to think someone can mend someone else&#039;s mental problems.

It&#039;s also unfortunate that US discrimination laws have also been twisted in such a way that only harassment against a protected class will result in taking action against the WACKOS on their workforce--and often worse, standing behind and further empowering certified sociopaths.  I know many other countries have laws in place already to combat this and the comments above mentions that California just passed a similar law.  That&#039;s great news!  All I can say is it&#039;s about time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with the part about retraining a person.  That is work for a professional therapist.  What instead can be done is let them know YOU can&#8217;t be pushed around so they find someone weaker to go after.  Unless of course this person is your boss.  Then there is NOTHING you can do.  These are personality issues WITHIN the individual, NOT work issues between two people&#8211;and it&#8217;s fruitless to think someone can mend someone else&#8217;s mental problems.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also unfortunate that US discrimination laws have also been twisted in such a way that only harassment against a protected class will result in taking action against the WACKOS on their workforce&#8211;and often worse, standing behind and further empowering certified sociopaths.  I know many other countries have laws in place already to combat this and the comments above mentions that California just passed a similar law.  That&#8217;s great news!  All I can say is it&#8217;s about time.</p>
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		By: JP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 23:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In CA a law has just been passed employers with 50+ employees are required to provide &#039;anti-bullying&#039; training along with the sexual harassment training already required. As expected the anti-bullying definition is rather vague -- generally if the &#039;reasonable person&#039; would feel demoralized, demeened, etc. by the act(s). It will be interesting to see how this will affect the workplace - in awareness, actions, and litigation.  Tough time to be in ER in CA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In CA a law has just been passed employers with 50+ employees are required to provide &#8216;anti-bullying&#8217; training along with the sexual harassment training already required. As expected the anti-bullying definition is rather vague &#8212; generally if the &#8216;reasonable person&#8217; would feel demoralized, demeened, etc. by the act(s). It will be interesting to see how this will affect the workplace &#8211; in awareness, actions, and litigation.  Tough time to be in ER in CA</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2014 07:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2014/12/your-supervisor-doesnt-have-to-stop-your-mean-co-worker.html#comment-204328&quot;&gt;D. Parker&lt;/a&gt;.

Denial runs deep in many people. Probably nothing will change and this will go on for years until one of them quits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2014/12/your-supervisor-doesnt-have-to-stop-your-mean-co-worker.html#comment-204328">D. Parker</a>.</p>
<p>Denial runs deep in many people. Probably nothing will change and this will go on for years until one of them quits.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2014/12/your-supervisor-doesnt-have-to-stop-your-mean-co-worker.html#comment-204339&quot;&gt;charles&lt;/a&gt;.

I know myself. I always skip over those long quotes!

And good job at re-training your co-worker!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2014/12/your-supervisor-doesnt-have-to-stop-your-mean-co-worker.html#comment-204339">charles</a>.</p>
<p>I know myself. I always skip over those long quotes!</p>
<p>And good job at re-training your co-worker!</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;that’s boring and you skipped over it. I know you did.&quot;

Ha, you know your readers all too well.  I did in fact skip over it; but, your &quot;guilt trip&quot; (is that what you were trying to do - guilt me in to going back to read it?) actually made me go back and read it.

And you are spot on with your advice of training her.  One place I worked at we had one employee who constantly complained about the poor work of others.  Most managers would politely listen and do nothing.  This employee continued to complain to those who would listen.  I simply would ask him what did he expect me to do about - so and so wasn&#039;t my employee and it wasn&#039;t my place to say or do anything - and that he should take it up with that person directly if it was affecting him.  

After several weeks of this, he finally stammered &quot;well, you just don&#039;t care, do you?&quot;  He did continue to complain to other managers; but, he stopped saying such stuff to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that’s boring and you skipped over it. I know you did.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha, you know your readers all too well.  I did in fact skip over it; but, your &#8220;guilt trip&#8221; (is that what you were trying to do &#8211; guilt me in to going back to read it?) actually made me go back and read it.</p>
<p>And you are spot on with your advice of training her.  One place I worked at we had one employee who constantly complained about the poor work of others.  Most managers would politely listen and do nothing.  This employee continued to complain to those who would listen.  I simply would ask him what did he expect me to do about &#8211; so and so wasn&#8217;t my employee and it wasn&#8217;t my place to say or do anything &#8211; and that he should take it up with that person directly if it was affecting him.  </p>
<p>After several weeks of this, he finally stammered &#8220;well, you just don&#8217;t care, do you?&#8221;  He did continue to complain to other managers; but, he stopped saying such stuff to me.</p>
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		By: D. Parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This sounds way too familiar, however the mean co-worker I was subjected to was an HR Manager....what then? In the last 2 years she has had at least 2 staff members leave the department because of her and has had numerous complaints from others. I took the direct approach and had a meeting with her where she was extremely contrite and felt badly that her behavior had created such an uncomfortable workplace. That lasted about a week and she was back at it. The director was been notified numerous times and claims that he has spoken to her. She is on the edge of losing another employee that has been a Godsend to the rest of the staff and is extremely well liked and respected. The Director is hesitant to take stronger action because the manager does not misbehave in his presence (although he has seen some of her behaviors) and feels that she is a truly caring person. 

The manager is very &quot;black and white&quot; with no room for any flexibility. There is no question that she is extremely intelligent, however she has absolutely no self awareness, is constantly negative, can be openly hostile, and treats everyone else like they couldn&#039;t possibly have a brain in their head. When I left the department, I made it clear to the Director (who I reported directly to) why I was leaving. He was truly upset by my departure and vowed that he would ensure that the situation would improve. Sadly, it has not improved and now one of my former colleagues is ready to bail. Clearly, the manager does not think her behavior is a problem and has made little effort to improve.  What will it take for the Director to make any kind of change?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds way too familiar, however the mean co-worker I was subjected to was an HR Manager&#8230;.what then? In the last 2 years she has had at least 2 staff members leave the department because of her and has had numerous complaints from others. I took the direct approach and had a meeting with her where she was extremely contrite and felt badly that her behavior had created such an uncomfortable workplace. That lasted about a week and she was back at it. The director was been notified numerous times and claims that he has spoken to her. She is on the edge of losing another employee that has been a Godsend to the rest of the staff and is extremely well liked and respected. The Director is hesitant to take stronger action because the manager does not misbehave in his presence (although he has seen some of her behaviors) and feels that she is a truly caring person. </p>
<p>The manager is very &#8220;black and white&#8221; with no room for any flexibility. There is no question that she is extremely intelligent, however she has absolutely no self awareness, is constantly negative, can be openly hostile, and treats everyone else like they couldn&#8217;t possibly have a brain in their head. When I left the department, I made it clear to the Director (who I reported directly to) why I was leaving. He was truly upset by my departure and vowed that he would ensure that the situation would improve. Sadly, it has not improved and now one of my former colleagues is ready to bail. Clearly, the manager does not think her behavior is a problem and has made little effort to improve.  What will it take for the Director to make any kind of change?</p>
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