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		By: LTMG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 02:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given that Audi executives thought it was ok to falsify diesel engine emissions test results, can we expect them to be in touch with reality in any other way?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that Audi executives thought it was ok to falsify diesel engine emissions test results, can we expect them to be in touch with reality in any other way?</p>
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		By: Bobboccio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bobboccio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well Suzanne, a lot of people disagree with your post, or it seems don&#039;t actually disagree with it, they just don&#039;t like it.

I think you are right though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Suzanne, a lot of people disagree with your post, or it seems don&#8217;t actually disagree with it, they just don&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p>I think you are right though.</p>
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		By: grannybunny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grannybunny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208675&quot;&gt;Lauren&lt;/a&gt;.

It cannot be &quot;justified.&quot;  However, it can be explained as being due to institutionalized sexism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208675">Lauren</a>.</p>
<p>It cannot be &#8220;justified.&#8221;  However, it can be explained as being due to institutionalized sexism.</p>
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		By: Lauren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208683&quot;&gt;Nico&lt;/a&gt;.

We have a CEO who is female and came out to our office when we were acquired. Suddenly all the women in the office were asked to drop everything and come to dinner - because they couldn&#039;t go without a woman - cause that would look bad. So they were trying to pass off a woman that wasn&#039;t leadership - so THEY don&#039;t look like gender bias jerks for not promoting any women into leadership. I was so angry that 2 women in the office went along with this. When the president literally says &#039;please come, we can&#039;t show up without any women&#039;, fix the problem and promote a woman. I&#039;m not asking for any woman, I am talking about someone that is poised to move up already - that ticks off just as many &#039;leadership&#039; boxes as any man currently in leadership team, but still hasn&#039;t been promoted in 7 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208683">Nico</a>.</p>
<p>We have a CEO who is female and came out to our office when we were acquired. Suddenly all the women in the office were asked to drop everything and come to dinner &#8211; because they couldn&#8217;t go without a woman &#8211; cause that would look bad. So they were trying to pass off a woman that wasn&#8217;t leadership &#8211; so THEY don&#8217;t look like gender bias jerks for not promoting any women into leadership. I was so angry that 2 women in the office went along with this. When the president literally says &#8216;please come, we can&#8217;t show up without any women&#8217;, fix the problem and promote a woman. I&#8217;m not asking for any woman, I am talking about someone that is poised to move up already &#8211; that ticks off just as many &#8216;leadership&#8217; boxes as any man currently in leadership team, but still hasn&#8217;t been promoted in 7 years.</p>
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		By: Lauren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208670&quot;&gt;Jeanne&lt;/a&gt;.

I love you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208670">Jeanne</a>.</p>
<p>I love you!</p>
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		By: Lauren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208669&quot;&gt;Jeanne&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for helping me point this out. This is so true. This post is just keeping the wage gap alive by not talking to the examples that are exact matches in title, company, experience, but still women make so much less without ever having a job gap or having kids.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208669">Jeanne</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for helping me point this out. This is so true. This post is just keeping the wage gap alive by not talking to the examples that are exact matches in title, company, experience, but still women make so much less without ever having a job gap or having kids.</p>
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		By: Nico		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nico]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Corroborating Suzanne Lucas&#039;s excellent analyses, I will add that most mid-plus size firms who have any idea what they are doing have fixed salary range grills for each grade of position and experience. We could go on forever about how we raise girls, but in a society in which adulthood comes at age 18 it is hard to argue that if a fresh female (or male) college grad did not major in engineering/IT or is unwilling to be a tough negotiator, it is anything but her (or his) own responsibility.

Also, at some large companies there is a bias in the opposite direction. In North America lawsuits are as common as beach pebbles, and the spectacle and variety of discrimination lawsuits against large firms by current and former female/LGBT/visible minority employees has made companies very sensitive to the dangers of even appearing to step out of line. (Smaller firms can discriminate or be perceived to discriminate as well, but they are less likely to get sued for the simple reason that they are smaller and therefore a substantial payout is unlikely.)

For example, one of my acquaintances attests that his company, afraid of being seen as not promoting enough female employees, might take a female executive secretary and promote her to V.P. with the title, salary and office... and yet strangely no one works for her. Conversely, according to him, all male V.P.s at said company have at least $37 million in scope.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corroborating Suzanne Lucas&#8217;s excellent analyses, I will add that most mid-plus size firms who have any idea what they are doing have fixed salary range grills for each grade of position and experience. We could go on forever about how we raise girls, but in a society in which adulthood comes at age 18 it is hard to argue that if a fresh female (or male) college grad did not major in engineering/IT or is unwilling to be a tough negotiator, it is anything but her (or his) own responsibility.</p>
<p>Also, at some large companies there is a bias in the opposite direction. In North America lawsuits are as common as beach pebbles, and the spectacle and variety of discrimination lawsuits against large firms by current and former female/LGBT/visible minority employees has made companies very sensitive to the dangers of even appearing to step out of line. (Smaller firms can discriminate or be perceived to discriminate as well, but they are less likely to get sued for the simple reason that they are smaller and therefore a substantial payout is unlikely.)</p>
<p>For example, one of my acquaintances attests that his company, afraid of being seen as not promoting enough female employees, might take a female executive secretary and promote her to V.P. with the title, salary and office&#8230; and yet strangely no one works for her. Conversely, according to him, all male V.P.s at said company have at least $37 million in scope.</p>
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		By: Jeanne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 22:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208677&quot;&gt;Evil HR Lady&lt;/a&gt;.

I didn&#039;t know right away. I brought up a few different treatment issues. My boss was the same ethnic group as my male colleague and told me the colleague needed to find a wife and get married and have a family soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208677">Evil HR Lady</a>.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know right away. I brought up a few different treatment issues. My boss was the same ethnic group as my male colleague and told me the colleague needed to find a wife and get married and have a family soon.</p>
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		By: jb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These stats are misleading when comparing the entire workforce because obviously woman bear children so even that alone creates an apples to oranges scenario. However, when comparing equal experience, there is absolutely a real albeit smaller than 20% difference especially as you look higher up in the ranks. You really don&#039;t need any statistics for this, just open your eyes and look at the disproportionate number of men on Boards of Directors and in leadership positions. It isn&#039;t that long in terms of history that women were not allowed to vote, own property, etc. and anyone that is a student of history will know that stereotypes take many generations to change. We are not there yet, although making progress every day, but sadly no we do not leave in a world absolutely free of gender bias. Now another interesting facet to add is the growing number of companies that are now global. Makes it interesting when you are an American woman dealing with men from a country where discrimation is the norm. I suspect this will have greater impact on our mobility in the future than we realize and a whole other topics of discussion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These stats are misleading when comparing the entire workforce because obviously woman bear children so even that alone creates an apples to oranges scenario. However, when comparing equal experience, there is absolutely a real albeit smaller than 20% difference especially as you look higher up in the ranks. You really don&#8217;t need any statistics for this, just open your eyes and look at the disproportionate number of men on Boards of Directors and in leadership positions. It isn&#8217;t that long in terms of history that women were not allowed to vote, own property, etc. and anyone that is a student of history will know that stereotypes take many generations to change. We are not there yet, although making progress every day, but sadly no we do not leave in a world absolutely free of gender bias. Now another interesting facet to add is the growing number of companies that are now global. Makes it interesting when you are an American woman dealing with men from a country where discrimation is the norm. I suspect this will have greater impact on our mobility in the future than we realize and a whole other topics of discussion.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208674&quot;&gt;Jules&lt;/a&gt;.

1. The pay gap numbers that vary around 79 cents on the dollar don&#039;t match job for job. It&#039;s a straight average men&#039;s salary to average women&#039;s salary. That&#039;s why it&#039;s ridiculous.

2. If you know where this is taking place then you should file a complaint with the OFCCP. Now.

3. Of course some people are more productive than others, but when we&#039;re talking pay, hours worked plays a tremendous role. Remember, a large percentage of the population is paid by the hour. Even if they aren&#039;t more productive, they are earning more if they work more.

Additionally, in many of the top earning fields, workers bill clients by the hours. If you bill 100 more hours per year than I do, that&#039;s a noticeable difference in revenue. Of course the company will reward you.

4. If you can get 40 hours worth of work done in 32 your pay shouldn&#039;t be lowered. But, in all honesty, most people get 32 hour worth of work done in 32 hours. 

I&#039;m all about pay for results and not paying for butt-in-seat time, but you&#039;re going to be hard pressed to convince me that women are super productive compared to their male counterparts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/02/audis-ridiculous-super-bowl-ad-gives-us-only-myths-about-pay-heres-reality.html#comment-208674">Jules</a>.</p>
<p>1. The pay gap numbers that vary around 79 cents on the dollar don&#8217;t match job for job. It&#8217;s a straight average men&#8217;s salary to average women&#8217;s salary. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s ridiculous.</p>
<p>2. If you know where this is taking place then you should file a complaint with the OFCCP. Now.</p>
<p>3. Of course some people are more productive than others, but when we&#8217;re talking pay, hours worked plays a tremendous role. Remember, a large percentage of the population is paid by the hour. Even if they aren&#8217;t more productive, they are earning more if they work more.</p>
<p>Additionally, in many of the top earning fields, workers bill clients by the hours. If you bill 100 more hours per year than I do, that&#8217;s a noticeable difference in revenue. Of course the company will reward you.</p>
<p>4. If you can get 40 hours worth of work done in 32 your pay shouldn&#8217;t be lowered. But, in all honesty, most people get 32 hour worth of work done in 32 hours. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all about pay for results and not paying for butt-in-seat time, but you&#8217;re going to be hard pressed to convince me that women are super productive compared to their male counterparts.</p>
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