Comments on: Firing an Employee Without a Lengthy Improvement Plan

By: Katrina

Katrina — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 04:32:26 +0000

Hello Suzanne, I am in desperate need of help/advice. Last week I was terminated as result of being overheard making a profane comment regarding a situation at work. This was a 1st and I was venting to a coworker about an ongoing issue. The person who overheard and reported was part of the recurring issue. I have never had any conflict with coworkers nor have I ever been in any way disrespectful at work to anyone in an entire year. I am a mother of 9 who is the sole provider for my household, I have reached out to HR to plead my case and request a reconsideration/appeal of the decision. My hope is to be reinstated being that there was no direct communication with the person who overheard. I was fired on the grounds of TAWR(treat associates with respect)violation, yet I wasn’t disrespectful to anyone I was speaking to someone about my issues at work. I would like any and all advice on what to do to get my job back and/or how to proceed HELP! All feed back will be appreciated thanks in advance and God bless you all aswell as myself.

By: Blake

Blake — Sun, 28 May 2017 14:18:31 +0000

This reminds me of a time 10 years ago when I had to fire someone “at-will” without a 90 day plan. In this case, the employee literally showed up late by 1-2 hours for an entire week. The next week he no-showed one day, but was on time the rest. By the 3rd week, I had caught up with all the paperwork necessary and I was just waiting for him to be late again. Well guess what, he didn’t show up until Friday and was shocked when I immediately escorted him to human resources! LOL, sometimes you just can’t follow the PIP.

By: Maria Rose

Maria Rose — Sat, 20 May 2017 18:58:38 +0000

Whenever I read articles like this, I am reminded of why unions came into existence, –i.e. to protect workers from firings like this. Unfortunately, in this age of political correctness, a union is considered past its time, especially when one hears of all the hand washing done behind closed doors.
But having worked in both a union supported job and a non-union supported position, I would rather deal with the union problems than have my position based on the will of the employer. The reason I say this is that with the growing trend of at-will employment, more companies cut labor cost by firing and hiring at their convenience because of the effects on the profit line, mandated by shareholders. But labor costs are an essential part of any business and can’t be cut so haphazardly as poorly performing employees do effect business, even though they may cost less. (CHEAP GETS CHEAP RESULTS).
There is no problem with evaluating performance of employees to get a standardized result.
If anyone has done an historical look at how labor and business have developed over the years, you would understand what point I am trying to get across. Good business success develops with good employee conditions. When one side gets more than the other, no body profits n the long run.
I see the current work situation becoming very similar to what it was pre-union worker days, with wages and available jobs determined by businesses state of profit.

By: m

Mon, 15 May 2017 16:25:40 +0000

In reply to Its Me. I'm also aware of unfair firings. Unfortunately good managers are by far the exception rather than the rule.

By: grannybunny

grannybunny — Mon, 15 May 2017 13:05:42 +0000

In reply to Rita M. Rode. The link at the top of the story works.

By: Its Me

Its Me — Mon, 15 May 2017 12:29:56 +0000

Oh Suzanne I can absolutely attest to the fact that “waking up one day and saying they are going to fire someone” is 100% real. Not only have I personally witnessed it happen maybe a half a dozen times in my life but it happened to me back in my 20’s. You would hope companies would be professional and want to do whats right for their employees, but there are many managers who act like petulant teenagers and the companies let them get away with it.

By: Evil HR Lady

Evil HR Lady — Mon, 15 May 2017 11:16:53 +0000

In reply to Rita M. Rode.

Rita! Thanks for your kind words. I fixed it so it should be working now. If not, here’s the link:
https://www.thebalance.com/employee-termination-without-performance-improvement-plan-4138324

By: Rita M. Rode

Rita M. Rode — Mon, 15 May 2017 11:15:43 +0000

Suzanne – I am a fond fan of your writings. They are so practical and shout “experience”. I definitely recommend your website to all HR friends and at times, I also forward to our Managers when the situation rings home.

I was unable to pull up your recent post, When and How to Fire an Employee Without a PIP. Can you send me this in a different version or email because we just happen to experience this here and I was anxious to read your opinion. Thanks much, keep on writing! Rita