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		By: Horse Tense		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Horse Tense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 20:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big bad hot shot this guy is!  I am assuming the customer waited for the Police Officer to leave the premises before airing his &quot;grievances&quot; (I have another word, but this is Evil HR Lady so I will err on the side of class), in this case Real Big Man,

If he didn&#039;t wait, and the Police Officer was still there and witnessed this and handled it, and management had to actually throw down with corporate to stop them from firing him, (suspension sounds to me that the manager was forced into it to keep him.) 

Shock and awe, I am dumbstruck.

This kid had better get a few kowtows, back pay for his suspension, a week of paid vacation, and some other  &quot;thank you for you service, and we are sooooo sorry.&quot;

Until I hear how this ends, I will not be patronizing this business...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big bad hot shot this guy is!  I am assuming the customer waited for the Police Officer to leave the premises before airing his &#8220;grievances&#8221; (I have another word, but this is Evil HR Lady so I will err on the side of class), in this case Real Big Man,</p>
<p>If he didn&#8217;t wait, and the Police Officer was still there and witnessed this and handled it, and management had to actually throw down with corporate to stop them from firing him, (suspension sounds to me that the manager was forced into it to keep him.) </p>
<p>Shock and awe, I am dumbstruck.</p>
<p>This kid had better get a few kowtows, back pay for his suspension, a week of paid vacation, and some other  &#8220;thank you for you service, and we are sooooo sorry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Until I hear how this ends, I will not be patronizing this business&#8230;</p>
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		By: Julie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209601&quot;&gt;Goober&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of &quot;get the angry customer out of the business before someone gets hurt&quot; but yes, your idea to file a police report is correct.  One could even file it after the customer left, if they knew the person&#039;s name, I would assume.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209601">Goober</a>.</p>
<p>Well, I was thinking more along the lines of &#8220;get the angry customer out of the business before someone gets hurt&#8221; but yes, your idea to file a police report is correct.  One could even file it after the customer left, if they knew the person&#8217;s name, I would assume.</p>
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		By: Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 22:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209605&quot;&gt;Goober&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s true, which makes this even more egregious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209605">Goober</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, which makes this even more egregious.</p>
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		By: Goober		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Goober]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209604&quot;&gt;Observer&lt;/a&gt;.

I would like to note that the store manager was the one who stood up for him. It was corporate who flew off the handle without bothering to hear both sides of it - or, apparently, talking to the store manager - first.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209604">Observer</a>.</p>
<p>I would like to note that the store manager was the one who stood up for him. It was corporate who flew off the handle without bothering to hear both sides of it &#8211; or, apparently, talking to the store manager &#8211; first.</p>
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		By: Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209584&quot;&gt;grannybunny&lt;/a&gt;.

1. You do NOT always have to &quot;do something&quot; with the employee. And, in the case where an infraction is BUYING SOMEONE A COOKIE it&#039;s really, really hard to make the case that it is such a serious matter that you HAVE to do something THIS MINUTE.

2. It shouldn&#039;t have taken more than a few minutes to find out from the server what his side of the story was, and a few more minutes to get corroboration. Even if the store manager was not in the area (in the back, or something) he would have heard the shouting, and these places have security footage. The problem is that it&#039;s clear they did not bother to take the few minutes - they only &quot;reviewed&quot; the situation after they got blowback.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209584">grannybunny</a>.</p>
<p>1. You do NOT always have to &#8220;do something&#8221; with the employee. And, in the case where an infraction is BUYING SOMEONE A COOKIE it&#8217;s really, really hard to make the case that it is such a serious matter that you HAVE to do something THIS MINUTE.</p>
<p>2. It shouldn&#8217;t have taken more than a few minutes to find out from the server what his side of the story was, and a few more minutes to get corroboration. Even if the store manager was not in the area (in the back, or something) he would have heard the shouting, and these places have security footage. The problem is that it&#8217;s clear they did not bother to take the few minutes &#8211; they only &#8220;reviewed&#8221; the situation after they got blowback.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209584&quot;&gt;grannybunny&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;you have to do something with the employee&quot;

Why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209584">grannybunny</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;you have to do something with the employee&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		By: Goober		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Goober]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 01:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209596&quot;&gt;Julie&lt;/a&gt;.

I disagree that a customer who threatens violence should be banned. Or, rather, that he should *only* be banned. A police report should have been filed (especially if he made to come behind the counter). Always. Not being interviewed by a cop teaches the guy that, at the very least, that behavior will have no negative consequences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209596">Julie</a>.</p>
<p>I disagree that a customer who threatens violence should be banned. Or, rather, that he should *only* be banned. A police report should have been filed (especially if he made to come behind the counter). Always. Not being interviewed by a cop teaches the guy that, at the very least, that behavior will have no negative consequences.</p>
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		By: Goober		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Goober]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 00:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209595&quot;&gt;HRJeanne&lt;/a&gt;.

Without an investigation, you can&#039;t tell if the customer threatened the employee, or if the employee made that up to cover their ass. The key thing is to investigate *before* doing anything that punishes the employee. Sometimes, the accusation against the employee is serious enough that you do have to have them not be there while you investigate, but to do so _without hearing their side of it_ first is unfair. Suspending them with pay is appropriate under some circumstances, while the investigation is still going on. Suspending *without* pay is *punishment*, though.

It&#039;s hard to think of a circumstance where a suspension without hearing the employee&#039;s side of it would be appropriate where it actually matters. If, for instance, the employee was arrested, whether or not they are suspended is academic.

To quote the CEO of a guy who completely, utterly dominated his industry, &quot;My customers are only my #3 priority. My #1 priority is my employees. My #2 priority is my vendors. If I take care of #1 and #2, #3 is already taken care of.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209595">HRJeanne</a>.</p>
<p>Without an investigation, you can&#8217;t tell if the customer threatened the employee, or if the employee made that up to cover their ass. The key thing is to investigate *before* doing anything that punishes the employee. Sometimes, the accusation against the employee is serious enough that you do have to have them not be there while you investigate, but to do so _without hearing their side of it_ first is unfair. Suspending them with pay is appropriate under some circumstances, while the investigation is still going on. Suspending *without* pay is *punishment*, though.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to think of a circumstance where a suspension without hearing the employee&#8217;s side of it would be appropriate where it actually matters. If, for instance, the employee was arrested, whether or not they are suspended is academic.</p>
<p>To quote the CEO of a guy who completely, utterly dominated his industry, &#8220;My customers are only my #3 priority. My #1 priority is my employees. My #2 priority is my vendors. If I take care of #1 and #2, #3 is already taken care of.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Julie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is the perfect example of a time the customer was not right (I hate the saying the customer is always right).  Unless the company has a policy against employees making purchases while working, the angry customer should have been asked to leave and not come back.  What a jerk!

This company definitely did the wrong thing.  Why would you punish an employee for doing a nice thing just because someone else didn&#039;t like it?  Way to teach the kid that being kind has it&#039;s rewards.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the perfect example of a time the customer was not right (I hate the saying the customer is always right).  Unless the company has a policy against employees making purchases while working, the angry customer should have been asked to leave and not come back.  What a jerk!</p>
<p>This company definitely did the wrong thing.  Why would you punish an employee for doing a nice thing just because someone else didn&#8217;t like it?  Way to teach the kid that being kind has it&#8217;s rewards&#8230;..</p>
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		By: HRJeanne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HRJeanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209591&quot;&gt;Goober&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed.  And if the customer threatens physical violence to your employee, that seems like a ridiculous time to discipline the EMPLOYEE.  Honestly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/07/if-you-give-a-cop-a-cookie-you-might-get-suspended.html#comment-209591">Goober</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed.  And if the customer threatens physical violence to your employee, that seems like a ridiculous time to discipline the EMPLOYEE.  Honestly.</p>
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