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		By: Wintermute		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wintermute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am taking this with a massive grain of salt, a veritable salt boulder, because I think a lot of these issues stem FROM a bad boss or bad management practices.

Those that leave because they&#039;re unhappy with their manager left for just that reason, they&#039;re a &quot;gimme&quot; here.

Of those that leave because of generalized unhappiness, with their jobs or the organization, how much of that is because their boss won&#039;t or can&#039;t make their job easier, can&#039;t effectively manage, causes them personal stress through their management style (my main source of stress up until recently was a complete lack of feedback, every performance review, of which most were skipped, was a total surprise as to both time and content), or other reasons that good management could mitigate?

Of those that leave because of change and uncertainty how many of THOSE would have stayed had management provided better clarity, set clearer roadmaps, and otherwise managed through change better.  Sure change is inevitable in any field (mine is exceptionally fast-paced as far as such things go) but some managers handle it better than others.  Are the employees supported or are they thrown to the wolves? are expectations adjusted realistically to ensure that no one is being held to an unmeetable bar? Is there training and time given for it or are employees expected to fumble forward in perpetual ignorance?  Is change done by a well-ordered plan executed by management or is it eternal panic mode?

Of all these reasons, there are really two: bad working conditions and personal reasons.  Bad bosses are the source of many if not most of the bad working conditions on some level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am taking this with a massive grain of salt, a veritable salt boulder, because I think a lot of these issues stem FROM a bad boss or bad management practices.</p>
<p>Those that leave because they&#8217;re unhappy with their manager left for just that reason, they&#8217;re a &#8220;gimme&#8221; here.</p>
<p>Of those that leave because of generalized unhappiness, with their jobs or the organization, how much of that is because their boss won&#8217;t or can&#8217;t make their job easier, can&#8217;t effectively manage, causes them personal stress through their management style (my main source of stress up until recently was a complete lack of feedback, every performance review, of which most were skipped, was a total surprise as to both time and content), or other reasons that good management could mitigate?</p>
<p>Of those that leave because of change and uncertainty how many of THOSE would have stayed had management provided better clarity, set clearer roadmaps, and otherwise managed through change better.  Sure change is inevitable in any field (mine is exceptionally fast-paced as far as such things go) but some managers handle it better than others.  Are the employees supported or are they thrown to the wolves? are expectations adjusted realistically to ensure that no one is being held to an unmeetable bar? Is there training and time given for it or are employees expected to fumble forward in perpetual ignorance?  Is change done by a well-ordered plan executed by management or is it eternal panic mode?</p>
<p>Of all these reasons, there are really two: bad working conditions and personal reasons.  Bad bosses are the source of many if not most of the bad working conditions on some level.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2017 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/11/a-new-study-finds-bad-managers-arent-the-reason-employees-quit.html#comment-210513&quot;&gt;Maria Rose&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder if we all read the same article?

From  the article:
The survey asked “What would make you leave your current organization for a new job?”  

For better compensation and benefits is the highest, 77%.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/11/a-new-study-finds-bad-managers-arent-the-reason-employees-quit.html#comment-210513">Maria Rose</a>.</p>
<p>I wonder if we all read the same article?</p>
<p>From  the article:<br />
The survey asked “What would make you leave your current organization for a new job?”  </p>
<p>For better compensation and benefits is the highest, 77%.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only reason I ever leave is because of money. After a few years of almost invisible raises against a backdrop of constantly more expensive health insurance it becomes obvious that I&#039;m not moving forward in total compensation.

Money is always greater than 90% of the reason for me.

I see higher level managers constantly trying to avoid the money issue. They want there to be some other reason than money because they want to keep the money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I ever leave is because of money. After a few years of almost invisible raises against a backdrop of constantly more expensive health insurance it becomes obvious that I&#8217;m not moving forward in total compensation.</p>
<p>Money is always greater than 90% of the reason for me.</p>
<p>I see higher level managers constantly trying to avoid the money issue. They want there to be some other reason than money because they want to keep the money.</p>
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		By: Evil HR Lady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil HR Lady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 11:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/11/a-new-study-finds-bad-managers-arent-the-reason-employees-quit.html#comment-210516&quot;&gt;jdgalt&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry. I should have responded earlier and I really should have clarified in the article.

People could choose multiple reasons for leaving, which is why it adds up to over 100 percent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/11/a-new-study-finds-bad-managers-arent-the-reason-employees-quit.html#comment-210516">jdgalt</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry. I should have responded earlier and I really should have clarified in the article.</p>
<p>People could choose multiple reasons for leaving, which is why it adds up to over 100 percent.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/11/a-new-study-finds-bad-managers-arent-the-reason-employees-quit.html#comment-210516&quot;&gt;jdgalt&lt;/a&gt;.

No. I caught it to. 

The issue is, these are not separate factors. Managers certainly are part of the organization, and problematic managers can create organizational issues. Similarly, a bad manager can make people unhappy with their jobs. I&#039;ve worked on different projects, doing the same job, and some are fun while others are brutal--and the managers make the difference. 

The conclusion that the rest of the institution shouldn&#039;t be left off the hook is still valid. But I think these statistics are very, very shoddy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2017/11/a-new-study-finds-bad-managers-arent-the-reason-employees-quit.html#comment-210516">jdgalt</a>.</p>
<p>No. I caught it to. </p>
<p>The issue is, these are not separate factors. Managers certainly are part of the organization, and problematic managers can create organizational issues. Similarly, a bad manager can make people unhappy with their jobs. I&#8217;ve worked on different projects, doing the same job, and some are fun while others are brutal&#8211;and the managers make the difference. </p>
<p>The conclusion that the rest of the institution shouldn&#8217;t be left off the hook is still valid. But I think these statistics are very, very shoddy.</p>
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		By: jdgalt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdgalt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Am I the only one who noticed that those numbers add up to 131%?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who noticed that those numbers add up to 131%?</p>
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		By: BethRa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BethRa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d love to go back and look at the study in depth.  Hanging turnover on individual managers probably isn&#039;t warranted, but bad manageMENT? If we take a deeper look at the 40% of people who are unhappy with their jobs, and the other 20% who are unhappy with their organizations, I imagine bad management plays into both. What is allowing toxic employees to run roughshod over colleagues but terrible management practice?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to go back and look at the study in depth.  Hanging turnover on individual managers probably isn&#8217;t warranted, but bad manageMENT? If we take a deeper look at the 40% of people who are unhappy with their jobs, and the other 20% who are unhappy with their organizations, I imagine bad management plays into both. What is allowing toxic employees to run roughshod over colleagues but terrible management practice?</p>
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		By: Maria Rose		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria Rose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You covered five basic reasons people leave jobs.  Yes definitely today’s job atmosphere is pretty toxic, between companies trying to find over-squeeze productivity and fellow employees who skim by with little effort with no reaction from management, people quit. 
The big question in this article, is how the company reacts to turnover whatever the reason.  Bad management sometimes can be addressed if that particular issue effects company in a bad PR  way.  Bad job situation gets more iffy because sometimes one has a job just to earn money and because it is not the “dream job” the person is unhappy. If the company has been following a toxic “ workaholic “ ethnic, as shown by the changing Japanese companies, where the people had been working long hours with no increased productivity, certain people would find this hazardous to their home environment.  We also have a trend with younger generations of workers who have a bigger emphasis on social life versus actual work life so realistic work situations would tend to be les tolerated. 
As to problems with childcare, this is a nationwide problem, especially since the USA has done nothing for helping parents coordinate work and family and childcare is still not developed and subsidized  enough for working parents. You could write articles on how inadequate this problem is.  The whole situation comes down to the value companies place on their employees beyond how the cost of having employees effected profits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You covered five basic reasons people leave jobs.  Yes definitely today’s job atmosphere is pretty toxic, between companies trying to find over-squeeze productivity and fellow employees who skim by with little effort with no reaction from management, people quit.<br />
The big question in this article, is how the company reacts to turnover whatever the reason.  Bad management sometimes can be addressed if that particular issue effects company in a bad PR  way.  Bad job situation gets more iffy because sometimes one has a job just to earn money and because it is not the “dream job” the person is unhappy. If the company has been following a toxic “ workaholic “ ethnic, as shown by the changing Japanese companies, where the people had been working long hours with no increased productivity, certain people would find this hazardous to their home environment.  We also have a trend with younger generations of workers who have a bigger emphasis on social life versus actual work life so realistic work situations would tend to be les tolerated.<br />
As to problems with childcare, this is a nationwide problem, especially since the USA has done nothing for helping parents coordinate work and family and childcare is still not developed and subsidized  enough for working parents. You could write articles on how inadequate this problem is.  The whole situation comes down to the value companies place on their employees beyond how the cost of having employees effected profits.</p>
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