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	Comments on: How #MeToo Concerns Made Me Nervous at a Turkish Dance	</title>
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		By: grannybunny		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The #MeToo Movement is nonexistent in Turkey, India, Saudi Arabia and a number of other countries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The #MeToo Movement is nonexistent in Turkey, India, Saudi Arabia and a number of other countries.</p>
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		By: Roger, that		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger, that]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2018/12/how-metoo-concerns-made-me-nervous-at-a-turkish-dance.html#comment-213262&quot;&gt;Chris Hogg&lt;/a&gt;.

In this instance it is the hrladys that is being super sensitive, and wrongly so.  Unless she works for the restaurant, there is no business setting, there are no Unwilling participants, there is no forced participation, there are no workplace/social consequences for participants, no one is going to hold back promotion opportunities.  She should stick to actual examples of harassment, rather than commenting on this false arguements.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2018/12/how-metoo-concerns-made-me-nervous-at-a-turkish-dance.html#comment-213262">Chris Hogg</a>.</p>
<p>In this instance it is the hrladys that is being super sensitive, and wrongly so.  Unless she works for the restaurant, there is no business setting, there are no Unwilling participants, there is no forced participation, there are no workplace/social consequences for participants, no one is going to hold back promotion opportunities.  She should stick to actual examples of harassment, rather than commenting on this false arguements.</p>
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		By: Pconnor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pconnor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2018/12/how-metoo-concerns-made-me-nervous-at-a-turkish-dance.html#comment-213263&quot;&gt;Dorothy&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed.  This is a false equivalency, what is happening at this show is not happening in a workplace, there is no power structure forcing employees to participate or suffer consequences. And while men might feel uncomfortable, it is also seen as humorous because men are not subject to the male gaze as often as women are, are not treated as decorative objects the way women often are.  . The pressure on a woman would be different. If she is attractive then she must be  enticing when she dances, if she is not attractive then the humor is because she is an ugly woman trying to be sexy.  The pressure on the man is to make fiunny and dance.  No one expects the male dance to be sexy, regardless of how he looks-because a sensuous male dance is not how we expect any male to perform.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2018/12/how-metoo-concerns-made-me-nervous-at-a-turkish-dance.html#comment-213263">Dorothy</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed.  This is a false equivalency, what is happening at this show is not happening in a workplace, there is no power structure forcing employees to participate or suffer consequences. And while men might feel uncomfortable, it is also seen as humorous because men are not subject to the male gaze as often as women are, are not treated as decorative objects the way women often are.  . The pressure on a woman would be different. If she is attractive then she must be  enticing when she dances, if she is not attractive then the humor is because she is an ugly woman trying to be sexy.  The pressure on the man is to make fiunny and dance.  No one expects the male dance to be sexy, regardless of how he looks-because a sensuous male dance is not how we expect any male to perform.</p>
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		By: jdgalt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2018 00:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2018/12/how-metoo-concerns-made-me-nervous-at-a-turkish-dance.html#comment-213263&quot;&gt;Dorothy&lt;/a&gt;.

Your last point depends very much on who is there.  I would never agree to be embarassed in front of co-workers, all the more because it would give them an excuse to harass me but I could not dare reply.

This is a great example of how the harassment law can make camraderie with co-workers a bad idea.  The law should be overturned, or at least toned down, exactly because it does that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2018/12/how-metoo-concerns-made-me-nervous-at-a-turkish-dance.html#comment-213263">Dorothy</a>.</p>
<p>Your last point depends very much on who is there.  I would never agree to be embarassed in front of co-workers, all the more because it would give them an excuse to harass me but I could not dare reply.</p>
<p>This is a great example of how the harassment law can make camraderie with co-workers a bad idea.  The law should be overturned, or at least toned down, exactly because it does that.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2018 21:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being a foodie person, I would have skipped the occasion, but I want to let you know that the video of a belly dancing didn&#039;t play. I know how much of the body is involved from my hairdresser both telling me and showing me the results of her lessons. It is good exercise for your body.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a foodie person, I would have skipped the occasion, but I want to let you know that the video of a belly dancing didn&#8217;t play. I know how much of the body is involved from my hairdresser both telling me and showing me the results of her lessons. It is good exercise for your body.</p>
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		By: Dorothy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorothy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2018 20:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn’t have countenanced this in a work setting. I wouldn’t have gone to this event. 

But two thoughts:
- As you pointed out the men participating would/should have known of this situation. 
— In my experience, very generally, men see this sort of harassment very  differently from women and much more positively.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn’t have countenanced this in a work setting. I wouldn’t have gone to this event. </p>
<p>But two thoughts:<br />
&#8211; As you pointed out the men participating would/should have known of this situation.<br />
— In my experience, very generally, men see this sort of harassment very  differently from women and much more positively.</p>
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		By: Chris Hogg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hogg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2018 14:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just because some people are super sensitive doesn&#039;t mean the whole world is.&quot; And the whole world should not be required - or forced - to agree with me, think like I think, or say only what I approve of them saying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because some people are super sensitive doesn&#8217;t mean the whole world is.&#8221; And the whole world should not be required &#8211; or forced &#8211; to agree with me, think like I think, or say only what I approve of them saying.</p>
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