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		By: Streb Lovell		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214229</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Streb Lovell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a problem with the article, because it doesn&#039;t mention anything about gay couples paying taxes, which of course then pays for the services the cake baker&#039;s business enjoys (firefighting, police, etc.). Big difference with setting up a shop in a town and being a freelancer based abroad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a problem with the article, because it doesn&#8217;t mention anything about gay couples paying taxes, which of course then pays for the services the cake baker&#8217;s business enjoys (firefighting, police, etc.). Big difference with setting up a shop in a town and being a freelancer based abroad.</p>
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		By: CEMgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CEMgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to Suzanne, &quot;....the Equality Act removes protections for people who have deeply held religious beliefs that conflict with homosexual behavior. Remember, Title VII also held religion as a protected class, and this will come into conflict.

&quot;The Equality Act would force you to &#039;bake that cake.&#039; Or press you into performing a medical procedure that you think is immoral or inappropriate for the patient. And that’s a problem...&quot;

Should &quot;deeply held&quot; religious beliefs trump legal protections against discrimination?  Suzanne, you are saying that if someone has a prejudice against homosexuals that they can plausibly trace to the teachings of a religion, they should be able to exercise that prejudice and exclude the homosexual person from being served at a business, correct?  Does this only apply to homosexuality or does it apply to racial or gender discrimination as well?

I have long had deeply held beliefs - we can think of them as my &quot;religion&quot; - that to privilege &quot;religious&quot; beliefs above any other beliefs is simply wrong, and that to force religious beliefs on others is immoral.  So by your reasoning, I should be able to deny my business services to anyone who holds, or appears to hold, anti-LGBTQ beliefs?  Don&#039;t get me wrong - if I ran a bakery, I would serve all paying customers equally.  If someone showed up asking for a cake for a ceremony that I thought was idiotic and wrong, like a father/daughter chastity sealing or something like that, I might inwardly roll my eyes, but I WOULD bake that cake.  I don&#039;t found my identity on a list of people I choose to exclude from commerce or society or otherwise denigrate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Suzanne, &#8220;&#8230;.the Equality Act removes protections for people who have deeply held religious beliefs that conflict with homosexual behavior. Remember, Title VII also held religion as a protected class, and this will come into conflict.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Equality Act would force you to &#8216;bake that cake.&#8217; Or press you into performing a medical procedure that you think is immoral or inappropriate for the patient. And that’s a problem&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Should &#8220;deeply held&#8221; religious beliefs trump legal protections against discrimination?  Suzanne, you are saying that if someone has a prejudice against homosexuals that they can plausibly trace to the teachings of a religion, they should be able to exercise that prejudice and exclude the homosexual person from being served at a business, correct?  Does this only apply to homosexuality or does it apply to racial or gender discrimination as well?</p>
<p>I have long had deeply held beliefs &#8211; we can think of them as my &#8220;religion&#8221; &#8211; that to privilege &#8220;religious&#8221; beliefs above any other beliefs is simply wrong, and that to force religious beliefs on others is immoral.  So by your reasoning, I should be able to deny my business services to anyone who holds, or appears to hold, anti-LGBTQ beliefs?  Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; if I ran a bakery, I would serve all paying customers equally.  If someone showed up asking for a cake for a ceremony that I thought was idiotic and wrong, like a father/daughter chastity sealing or something like that, I might inwardly roll my eyes, but I WOULD bake that cake.  I don&#8217;t found my identity on a list of people I choose to exclude from commerce or society or otherwise denigrate.</p>
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		By: grannybunny		</title>
		<link>https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grannybunny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214201&quot;&gt;Goober&lt;/a&gt;.

A business can&#039;t really have a religion, but -- even if it could -- no one is attempting to discriminate against a business based on its alleged &quot;religion.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214201">Goober</a>.</p>
<p>A business can&#8217;t really have a religion, but &#8212; even if it could &#8212; no one is attempting to discriminate against a business based on its alleged &#8220;religion.&#8221;</p>
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		By: grannybunny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grannybunny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214202&quot;&gt;MariaRose&lt;/a&gt;.

Gee, these are the same arguments that Woolworths made against serving Black customers at their Deep South soda fountains back in the day.  I guess discrimination never gets old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214202">MariaRose</a>.</p>
<p>Gee, these are the same arguments that Woolworths made against serving Black customers at their Deep South soda fountains back in the day.  I guess discrimination never gets old.</p>
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		By: grannybunny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grannybunny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214202&quot;&gt;MariaRose&lt;/a&gt;.

In the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, the plaintiffs didn&#039;t even get to the point of requesting a specific cake or decoration.  As soon as the employee found out the genders of the betrothed, he rudely rejected their business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214202">MariaRose</a>.</p>
<p>In the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, the plaintiffs didn&#8217;t even get to the point of requesting a specific cake or decoration.  As soon as the employee found out the genders of the betrothed, he rudely rejected their business.</p>
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		By: marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214201&quot;&gt;Goober&lt;/a&gt;.

The customer is likely to suffer far more from a religiously-motivated discriminatory incident as an overall impact.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214201">Goober</a>.</p>
<p>The customer is likely to suffer far more from a religiously-motivated discriminatory incident as an overall impact.</p>
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		By: Mr. T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If your religion says you can&#039;t serve certain people, that&#039;s an issue with your religion. I do not want religious law or doctrine to trump civic law. None of my christian friends agree on religious doctrine, yet we all figure out a way forward. I disagree with most of my neighbors&#039; religious views, yet we find a path forward. Your inability to discriminate against others because of how religious leaders interpret your faith is not my issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your religion says you can&#8217;t serve certain people, that&#8217;s an issue with your religion. I do not want religious law or doctrine to trump civic law. None of my christian friends agree on religious doctrine, yet we all figure out a way forward. I disagree with most of my neighbors&#8217; religious views, yet we find a path forward. Your inability to discriminate against others because of how religious leaders interpret your faith is not my issue.</p>
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		By: LH HOLDINGS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LH HOLDINGS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m not one for a slippery slope argument but how is discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation any different from discriminating based on race? Those people that believed that their religion dictate that whites and blacks is don’t mix is the same arguments people are using for not providing services for homosexuals. Race and sexuality are things that cannot be changed and should therefore not be discriminated against. If you don’t want to provide basic services for the public, then don’t, but flour, butter, and sugar does not an endorsement of a particular lifestyle make.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not one for a slippery slope argument but how is discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation any different from discriminating based on race? Those people that believed that their religion dictate that whites and blacks is don’t mix is the same arguments people are using for not providing services for homosexuals. Race and sexuality are things that cannot be changed and should therefore not be discriminated against. If you don’t want to provide basic services for the public, then don’t, but flour, butter, and sugar does not an endorsement of a particular lifestyle make.</p>
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		By: Stephanie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214202&quot;&gt;MariaRose&lt;/a&gt;.

If a cake shop doesn&#039;t use porno molds, they are not required to suddenly use them just because a customer requests. (Also, can we stop using porno as a comparison case for sexual orientation?) Similarly, if a cake shop offers wedding topper figures that are purchased in a set (groom &#038; bride), it&#039;s fine to say that you don&#039;t offer alternate sets (groom &#038; groom). It&#039;s fine to say you won&#039;t put particular words/phrases on any cakes. But to pretend that swirls, pearls, flowers, generic messages (e.g. &quot;Love is All You Need&quot;), etc. are different when you put them on a cake for a same sex wedding than when you put them on a cake for an opposite sex wedding is silly and discriminatory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214202">MariaRose</a>.</p>
<p>If a cake shop doesn&#8217;t use porno molds, they are not required to suddenly use them just because a customer requests. (Also, can we stop using porno as a comparison case for sexual orientation?) Similarly, if a cake shop offers wedding topper figures that are purchased in a set (groom &amp; bride), it&#8217;s fine to say that you don&#8217;t offer alternate sets (groom &amp; groom). It&#8217;s fine to say you won&#8217;t put particular words/phrases on any cakes. But to pretend that swirls, pearls, flowers, generic messages (e.g. &#8220;Love is All You Need&#8221;), etc. are different when you put them on a cake for a same sex wedding than when you put them on a cake for an opposite sex wedding is silly and discriminatory.</p>
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		By: Kelly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214203&quot;&gt;Kelly&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry about &quot;though&quot; twice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.evilhrlady.org/2019/07/is-there-equality-in-the-equality-act.html#comment-214203">Kelly</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry about &#8220;though&#8221; twice.</p>
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