11 thoughts on “The REAL HR Show: More on the Vaccine Mandate

  1. Regardless of the ultimate results of the various legal challenges, the vaccine mandates are working. Only very small percentages of the previously-unvaccinated remain unvaccinated once they are faced with the loss of their jobs (or other privileges0. I’m an old lady, and have been subjected to vaccine mandates all my life, in connection with schools. I’m old enough to have received a Smallpox vaccination. Those were required, and had greater side effects than the COVID-19 ones. They left a round scar about the size of a penny on your arm, and everyone had one. I remember when the polio vaccine came out. They lined us up in school and vaccinated all of us. There was no issue of vaccine resistance or reluctance. Nor do I recall our having to get our parents’ consent. But we were all happy to get it — polio is a terrible, scary, disease — and no partisan political hacks had attempted to politicize the issue. It was all about public health, back during a time when individuals were patriotic and public-spirited: willing to act to benefit the public at large.

    1. My mom was part of the original polio trial. She’s talked about how everyone was so grateful. For whatever reason, we’ve gone whack-a-doodle since then.

      My oldest sister (born in 1968) has the smallpox vaccine scar. None of the rest of us do.

      I’m vaccinated for everything, including tick-born encephalitis, just in case I ever decide to go outside again.

      My kids have all their shots (although offspring #1 and I both need a DTAP booster, which I admit to not getting around to).

      I love vaccines. Please, let’s have some more.

  2. I am part of the generation that got the oral polio vaccine, today’s version is an injection and I may have gotten the newer version of the smallpox vaccine that didn’t leave that big scar. As I understand it with all the vaccines required for school enrollment, if your child has a sensitivity allergy the doses can be adjusted (changed in frequency to allow body to adjust), and yet we still have people who not only question but totally refuse vaccinations of any kind, mainly because they have not thought thoroughly on they consequences of not getting vaccinated. Any time there’s been a new vaccine, there’s always been naysayers even when the choice to not be vaccinated could be deadly. Today’s generation doesn’t want to consider historical facts either because they want to make decisions in present time and not be influenced by past occurrences, despite the proof that their choices are wrong especially using the reasoning pattern of their knowing better than proven scientific facts. Perhaps it is because we are also dealing more narcissistic personalities at present, with whom there’s very little leeway to persuade them otherwise.

  3. Oh my gosh how people compare vaccines that have been around for like 50 years to one that was rushed and has no long term affect studies.

    And a job is now a privilege?

    I’m also seeing guideline on what an acceptable medical exemption is? My DR doesn’t get to decide? I have blood clotting issues and see my cardiologist on the 22nd. I will listen to HIM only.

    My boss has already told me that I should get a second opinion (because I’m being advised against the vaccine) – so now my Boss gets to be involved in my medical decisions? And when he says I should get another opinion that means get the opinion that tells you to get the vaccine – even if it may not be.

    I’m quite dumbfounded…..

    1. No need to be dumbfounded; there is a wealth of information readily available out there. When the smallpox and polio vaccines came out, there were — likewise — no long-term studies available as to their side effects. However, there were — just as there were with the COVID-19 vaccines — thousands of people who had received them during the development, testing and approval processes. Now there are millions. With smallpox and polio, we also had centuries of history with the diseases, and knew how horrible and deadly they were. COVID-19 is a novel virus; we don’t know its long-term consequences. However, short-term, it is terrible and deadly, and rapidly evolving. The vaccines came out in record time, because of the, unprecedented, massive resources devoted to them. However, the mechanisms by which they work have been under study for years. Smallpox and polio vaccines had a lot more short-term adverse side effects than the COVID-19 ones, due to how they are manufactured. No one knows the long-term effects of either COVID-19 or its vaccines. But right now, based on all we know, there’s no contest: for those medically-able to be vaccinated, the consequences of not getting the vaccine are many times worse than the known consequences of getting it. And yes, of course a job is a privilege, as opposed to a right. Good luck to you.

      1. I meant I was dumbfounded that the company I work for now will put pressure on me to do something that goes against my Dr. recommendation. The fact that he can even question me about it is dumfounding.

        I can work from home – and in office I have a private office and can shut the door. I am willing to be tested weekly also. I am a C suite level at my company and have been here for 30 years. I hoped to finish out my career here to retirement. But my company probably at some point will have to decide if I am worth keeping if they don’t accept my medical exemption or do not want to accept weekly testing, or do not want me working strictly from home if they do not want me in office. (I don’t think WFH is even factored in to the OSHA mandate).

        I will have to choose to roll the dice with my health or lose my job.

        1. Bless your heart! As you may have heard, one of the ways COVID-19 kills is by causing widespread blood clotting. You, of all people, may have a pre-existing condition that makes you extremely high risk for death from the coronavirus. Obviously, you’ll want to avoid the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don’t have side effects involving blood clotting. Yes, by all means, please talk to your doctor, to see if there’s any way he will recommend you get vaccinated. Otherwise, you’ll be in self-imposed quarantine indefinitely. Even if your employer were to accept testing as an alternative, that’s not going to help you. You’ll want to maximize your chances of not getting infected in the first place, not, merely, knowing when you have been, with potentially deadly consequences.

          1. Wow…..

            I already had covid – luckily it was mild for me.

            clotting issues are just part of my issues.

            I know people don’t care because they just think ‘unvaxxed = crazy, idiot and there is NO actual medical reason to not get it – no.matter.what.

            Thank GOD I have a Dr looking after me instead of the internet mds.

            1. Of course there are medical reasons a small number of people cannot get the vaccine. And, of course, our precious children under age 12 are not yet eligible for it either. That’s why it’s so important for everyone else to get vaccinated. In the meantime, please take care of yourself. You’ve already had COVID once, and these new variants are both more transmissible and more deadly. God bless you!

  4. So has OSHA released the standards you made reference to? Since you said tomorrow is Friday I assume you recorded this last week. I haven’t seen any official releases from OSHA but could have missed them with all else I am tied up with.

    1. Sadly, I was wrong. I heard rumors they’d be released, but they haven’t been! Just the federal contractor guidelines.

      Fingers crossed that they come out soon.

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